Thorsten,

The rudeness of your reply is uncalled for. Ken already answered what I
thought was a legitimate question, and did so without your arrogant and
discourteous manner.

--Scott Gammans

"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
news:3c222046@news.povray.org...
> In article <3c21f8fd$1@news.povray.org> , "Scott Gammans"
> <nos### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>
> > I haven't seen any mention on the POV-Ray website about a beta 9 coming
out,
> > and POV-Ray v3.5 beta 8 is set to detonate tomorrow.
>
> You think we aren't aware of this? ;-)
>
> > Any word on what will happen tomorrow?
>
> I think the question on what will happen tomorrow is so obvious it doesn't
> need an answer nor IMO did it have to be asking in the first place as
there
> is nothing unusual about the beta expiring tomorrow.
>
>     Thorsten
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Thorsten Froehlich
> e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg
>
> I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
> Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org

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In article <3c223066$1@news.povray.org> , "Scott Gammans" 
<nos### [at] yahoocom> wrote:

> Ken already answered

You should not assume that I could see Ken's reply before I posted my
reply...

> The rudeness of your reply is uncalled for.

I don't think it was rude nor was it intended to be rude.  If it offended
you I apologize.

The following will answer your question in more detail:

> what I thought was a legitimate question, and did so without your arrogant and
> discourteous manner.

You should really read what is written on the download site, which answers
precisely your question:

>This beta version expires after December 21, 2001! By this time there will
>either be a new beta version available here or the final version of POV-Ray 3.5
>will be available.

Or either of these two messages, which both apply:

>Message-ID: <38695C99.6B2DCA1A@pacbell.net>
>Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:58:01 -0800
>From: Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet>
>Reply-To: lin### [at] povrayorg
>Newsgroups: povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions
>Subject: Welcome To the POV-Ray News Groups
>Xref: news.povray.org povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions:36

>New Versions of POV-Ray - Please Don't Ask
>==========================================
>
>  One of the most asked questions we hear in the news groups is  -
>
>  "When will the next version of POV-Ray be released ?"
>
>   The answer is that they will not tell you. The POV-Team is a group
>of volunteers working on the development of the program in their free
>time. They do not like deadlines and will only release a new version
>when they have time to finish it. They also need time to ensure they
>have the bugs worked out of it before releasing it publicly.
>
>For this reason *PLEASE* do not ask when the next version will be released.
>If they spend all of their time answering this question they will not have
>time to work on the next release of the program. When it is time they will
>notify you through public announcements on this server and on the POV-Ray
>home page - http://www.povray.org.


>Message-ID: <3B94E1CF.7498B010@pacbell.net>
>Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:14:39 -0700
>From: Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet>
>Newsgroups: povray.beta-test
>Subject: Attention: Beta Testers
>Xref: news.povray.org povray.beta-test:4

>Try to keep the off topic chatter down to an absolute minimum.
>The POV-Team will be reading the messages in this groups and
>need to be able to identify potential problems with the program
>with a minimum of reading time. Please take off topic discussions
>to another group."

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Thorsten,

Please accept MY apologies... I did not see that "Don't ask!" bit in the FAQ
section. I'm also a software developer and I understand the time pressure
that everyone on the POV-Ray team must be feeling (my company just finished
a major release of its own).

Good luck with the beta 9 release which I and other POV-Ray users eagerly
await.

--Scott Gammans

"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
news:3c22370e@news.povray.org...

> In article <3c223066$1@news.povray.org> , "Scott Gammans"
> <nos### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>
> > Ken already answered
>
> You should not assume that I could see Ken's reply before I posted my
> reply...
>
> > The rudeness of your reply is uncalled for.
>
> I don't think it was rude nor was it intended to be rude.  If it offended
> you I apologize.
>
> The following will answer your question in more detail:
>
> > what I thought was a legitimate question, and did so without your
arrogant and
> > discourteous manner.
>
> You should really read what is written on the download site, which answers
> precisely your question:
>
> >This beta version expires after December 21, 2001! By this time there
will
> >either be a new beta version available here or the final version of
POV-Ray 3.5
> >will be available.
>
> Or either of these two messages, which both apply:
>
> >Message-ID: <38695C99.6B2DCA1A@pacbell.net>
> >Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:58:01 -0800
> >From: Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet>
> >Reply-To: lin### [at] povrayorg
> >Newsgroups: povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions
> >Subject: Welcome To the POV-Ray News Groups
> >Xref: news.povray.org povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions:36
>
> >New Versions of POV-Ray - Please Don't Ask
> >==========================================
> >
> >  One of the most asked questions we hear in the news groups is  -
> >
> >  "When will the next version of POV-Ray be released ?"
> >
> >   The answer is that they will not tell you. The POV-Team is a group
> >of volunteers working on the development of the program in their free
> >time. They do not like deadlines and will only release a new version
> >when they have time to finish it. They also need time to ensure they
> >have the bugs worked out of it before releasing it publicly.
> >
> >For this reason *PLEASE* do not ask when the next version will be
released.
> >If they spend all of their time answering this question they will not
have
> >time to work on the next release of the program. When it is time they
will
> >notify you through public announcements on this server and on the POV-Ray
> >home page - http://www.povray.org.
>
>
> >Message-ID: <3B94E1CF.7498B010@pacbell.net>
> >Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:14:39 -0700
> >From: Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet>
> >Newsgroups: povray.beta-test
> >Subject: Attention: Beta Testers
> >Xref: news.povray.org povray.beta-test:4
>
> >Try to keep the off topic chatter down to an absolute minimum.
> >The POV-Team will be reading the messages in this groups and
> >need to be able to identify potential problems with the program
> >with a minimum of reading time. Please take off topic discussions
> >to another group."

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"This beta version of POV-Ray for Windows has expired." But on the download
page it says "This beta version expires after December 21, 2001", and it's
only December 20 (7:13 PM, EST). What's with that?

Anders

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> Put 3.1g on it and do stuff that works on both renderers.

but where is the fun in that!


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On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:13:40 -0500, "Anders K." <and### [at] prostard2gcom> wrote:
> "This beta version of POV-Ray for Windows has expired." But on the download
> page it says "This beta version expires after December 21, 2001", and it's
> only December 20 (7:13 PM, EST). What's with that?

I can confirm this with windows beta 9 (NT 4 Sp 6 on PII 233 with 128). Page
http://www.povray.org/binaries/windows/beta.html says 'This beta version expires
_after_ January 15, 2002' but it expire after January 14. Of course nothing
important for final version.

ABX
--
#declare _=function(a,b,x){((a^2)+(b^2))^.5-x}#default {pigment{color rgb 1}}
union{plane{y,-3}plane{-x,-3}finish{reflection 1 ambient 0}}isosurface{ //ABX
function{_(x-2,y,1)&_((x+y)*.7,z,.1)&_((x+y+2)*.7,z,.1)&_(x/2+y*.8+1.5,z,.1)}
contained_by{box{<0,-3,-.1>,<3,0,.1>}}translate z*15finish{ambient 1}}//POV35

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> > page it says "This beta version expires after December 21, 2001", and it's
> > only December 20 (7:13 PM, EST). What's with that?

The expiry time is AEDT (Australian Eastern Daylight Time). Which is GMT +11.

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:35:54 +1100, "Chris Cason"
<newsadmin-despam-@povray-no-spam.org> wrote:
> > > page it says "This beta version expires after December 21, 2001", and it's
> > > only December 20 (7:13 PM, EST). What's with that?
>
> The expiry time is AEDT (Australian Eastern Daylight Time). Which is GMT +11.

I'm not very good with timezones but I'm in GMT+1 and I have tested beta 9 on
9:00 at morning of 15 january 2002 so I suppose it should be 19:00 in AEDT.

ABX
--
#declare _=function(a,b,x){((a^2)+(b^2))^.5-x}#default {pigment{color rgb 1}}
union{plane{y,-3}plane{-x,-3}finish{reflection 1 ambient 0}}isosurface{ //ABX
function{_(x-2,y,1)&_((x+y)*.7,z,.1)&_((x+y+2)*.7,z,.1)&_(x/2+y*.8+1.5,z,.1)}
contained_by{box{<0,-3,-.1>,<3,0,.1>}}translate z*15finish{ambient 1}}//POV35

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"Anders K." wrote:
> 
> "This beta version of POV-Ray for Windows has expired." But on the download
> page it says "This beta version expires after December 21, 2001", and it's
> only December 20 (7:13 PM, EST). What's with that?
> 

	the beta version of POV-ray for Linux don't expire.


-- 
Thierry     exposant de trucs bizarres     http://la.buvette.org/exPOV/

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Thierry B. <oul### [at] chezcom> wrote:
: 	the beta version of POV-ray for Linux don't expire.

  Because there isn't one?

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