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Windows install (minor) gripe.
3 icons? One on the desktop, and 2 in the start menu? IMHO that's 2 too many
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"Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlu couk> wrote in message news:3b98c431@news.povray.org...
> 3 icons? One on the desktop, and 2 in the start menu? IMHO that's 2 too many
I don't see where you're getting two in the start menu from. It adds a start
menu group (strictly speaking, it's a program menu group, but I won't split
hairs) and a start menu icon (or direct shortcut), but that's not the same
thing as two icons in the start menu.
I feel this is not excessive, considering how trivially easy it is to delete
these (which is probably your best solution, no ???)
-- Chris
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> I don't see where you're getting two in the start menu from. It adds a
start
> menu group (strictly speaking, it's a program menu group, but I won't
split
> hairs) and a start menu icon (or direct shortcut), but that's not the same
> thing as two icons in the start menu.
But as well as adding the Start menu group Start > Program Files > POV-Ray
for Windows 3.5, it also adds the *direct shortcut* Start > Program Files >
POV-Ray for Windows. This is definately unnecessary.
Anders
P.S. 3.5 beta 1, Win98, Athlon 700, 256 MB. I should add this to my
signature... :-)
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:51:56 -0400, Anders K. wrote:
>> I don't see where you're getting two in the start menu from. It adds a
>start
>> menu group (strictly speaking, it's a program menu group, but I won't
>split
>> hairs) and a start menu icon (or direct shortcut), but that's not the same
>> thing as two icons in the start menu.
>
>But as well as adding the Start menu group Start > Program Files > POV-Ray
>for Windows 3.5, it also adds the *direct shortcut* Start > Program Files >
>POV-Ray for Windows. This is definately unnecessary.
Have you ever installed Microsoft Office 2000? :)
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Tom Melly wrote:
>
> Windows install (minor) gripe.
>
> 3 icons? One on the desktop, and 2 in the start menu? IMHO that's 2 too many
The POV-Ray sub-folder in Start > Programs is a bare minimum,
that every Windows program has used since Windows 95.
The POV-Ray icon in Start > Programs is perhaps redundant,
but saves one mouse "move". Major applications (Office, etc.)
use that also.
I'm told some persons use the desktop, so putting an icon there
is not a bad idea.
So IMHO, that's eventually 1 too many.
--
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Mes propos n'engagent que moi et en aucun cas mes employeurs
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Ron Parker wrote:
> Have you ever installed Microsoft Office 2000? :)
Please, do not copy bad examples!
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"Chris Cason" <newsadmin@-despam-povray.org> wrote in message
news:3b98ce72@news.povray.org...
>
> I don't see where you're getting two in the start menu from. It adds a start
> menu group (strictly speaking, it's a program menu group, but I won't split
> hairs) and a start menu icon (or direct shortcut), but that's not the same
> thing as two icons in the start menu.
Well, two icons in the full heirachy of the start menu/whatever, plus the
desktop. Like I said, a minor gripe.
On a similiar note (and a generic problem with installs), could the contents of
the program group folder be explicitely indicated as pov resources? If one
elects to dump the contents into an existing folder, "readme" and "licence
agreement" become anonymous.
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Tom Melly wrote:
>
> On a similiar note (and a generic problem with installs), could the contents of
> the program group folder be explicitely indicated as pov resources? If one
> elects to dump the contents into an existing folder, "readme" and "licence
> agreement" become anonymous.
Are we still talking Windows here? I hardly understand you.
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Adrien Beau wrote:
>
> Tom Melly wrote:
> >
> > Windows install (minor) gripe.
> >
> > 3 icons? One on the desktop, and 2 in the start menu? IMHO that's 2 too many
>
> The POV-Ray sub-folder in Start > Programs is a bare minimum,
> that every Windows program has used since Windows 95.
>
> The POV-Ray icon in Start > Programs is perhaps redundant,
> but saves one mouse "move". Major applications (Office, etc.)
> use that also.
>
> I'm told some persons use the desktop, so putting an icon there
> is not a bad idea.
>
I find the desktop too agressive.
If I really want it on desktop, I can do it manually
(Or it can be asked during the installation).
The folder is fine, but everything in it should still be tagged with Povray.
(Readme, license, Tutorial, and so)
IMNSHO, the shortcut for povray should be in the folder.
If I want it top application, It is easy to move it.
Because every programs behave like a pig is no reason to do the same.
(Sorry, I do not want to offense pigs).
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"Adrien Beau" <adr### [at] sycomorefr> wrote in message
news:3B98D464.25D32441@sycomore.fr...
>
> Are we still talking Windows here? I hardly understand you.
>
Sorry, that was a little obfusticated. The contents of the pov program group is:
Licence Agreement
Pov-Ray for Windows
Uninstall Pov-Ray for Windows
Read Me
Tutorial and Reference Manual
This is fine if they are inside the Pov-Ray programs folder. However, if, for
example, I elected to add the program icons to an existing folder called
"graphics", I will then have 3 entries in "graphics" that could belong to any of
my graphics programs: Read Me, Tutorial.., and Licence...
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> > This is definately unnecessary.
>
> Have you ever installed Microsoft Office 2000? :)
Microsoft Office 2000, is itself unnecessary. :-)
Anders
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I prefer it when the install asks me what I want and where. I end up
rearranging my start menu, etc. according to my standards anyway though, so
I don't find it a big deal to do this yourself. I assume most people
computer literate enough to try raytracing know how to change the start menu
(I'm talking windoze here)
-tgq
"Adrien Beau" <adr### [at] sycomorefr> wrote in message
news:3B98D346.8A27A1EF@sycomore.fr...
> Tom Melly wrote:
> >
> > Windows install (minor) gripe.
> >
> > 3 icons? One on the desktop, and 2 in the start menu? IMHO that's 2 too
many
>
> The POV-Ray sub-folder in Start > Programs is a bare minimum,
> that every Windows program has used since Windows 95.
>
> The POV-Ray icon in Start > Programs is perhaps redundant,
> but saves one mouse "move". Major applications (Office, etc.)
> use that also.
>
> I'm told some persons use the desktop, so putting an icon there
> is not a bad idea.
>
> So IMHO, that's eventually 1 too many.
>
> --
> Adrien Beau - adr### [at] freefr - http://adrien.beau.free.fr
> Mes propos n'engagent que moi et en aucun cas mes employeurs
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Chris Cason <newsadmin@-despam-povray.org> wrote:
: I feel this is not excessive, considering how trivially easy it is to delete
: these (which is probably your best solution, no ???)
That's nothing compared to realplayer. It's just plain crazy! It put itself
in every possible place! The desktop, they tray, the quickstart menu, the
start menu, the control panel, and of course in start/programs/realplayer.
Such an intrusive program was so ANNOYING that I deleted it immediately.
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I know what you mean. At least POVRay doesn't install a hidden run command
to run when the system starts in your registry where only experienced users
can remove it. I often find myself weeding through autoexec.bat, win.ini,
system.ini, registry, etc. to find out where the h*** the program has
inserted it's run command.
Or maybe this should be a feature request ;)
-tgq
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:3b98dbca@news.povray.org...
> Chris Cason <newsadmin@-despam-povray.org> wrote:
> : I feel this is not excessive, considering how trivially easy it is to
delete
> : these (which is probably your best solution, no ???)
>
> That's nothing compared to realplayer. It's just plain crazy! It put
itself
> in every possible place! The desktop, they tray, the quickstart menu, the
> start menu, the control panel, and of course in start/programs/realplayer.
> Such an intrusive program was so ANNOYING that I deleted it immediately.
>
> --
> #macro N(D,I)#if(I<6)cylinder{M()#local D[I]=div(D[I],104);M().5,2pigment{
> rgb M()}}N(D,(D[I]>99?I:I+1))#end#end#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I
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> 7382340,3358,3900569407,970,4254934330},0)}// - Warp -
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I didn't even realize it put an icon on the desktop... shows how much I use
it :) Seriously, any program I need often (POV, outlook, cdplayer...) I put
a shortcut on the quick launch bar. I think you're right, though, that such
shortcuts are best left to the user to put in.
...Chambers
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"Ben Chambers" <bdc### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:3b98f598@news.povray.org...
> a shortcut on the quick launch bar. I think you're right, though, that such
> shortcuts are best left to the user to put in.
On the other hand it gives us more chances to admire the new funky* logo, so
maybe it's not so bad...
* although not in the orig. sense.
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"Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlucouk> wrote in message
news:3b98f69a$1@news.povray.org...
> "Ben Chambers" <bdc### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:3b98f598@news.povray.org...
>
> > a shortcut on the quick launch bar. I think you're right, though, that
such
> > shortcuts are best left to the user to put in.
>
> On the other hand it gives us more chances to admire the new funky* logo,
so
> maybe it's not so bad...
>
> * although not in the orig. sense.
True, I really appreciate the new "artsy" look of POV-Ray :) Makes it even
more enjoyable! (I wonder if I could make the splash screen my desktop?
Hmm...)
...Chambers
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> True, I really appreciate the new "artsy" look of POV-Ray :) Makes it
even
> more enjoyable!
I definately agree! I wonder if the website is going to be updated to
reflect the new look? Right now it looks kind of... well, old.
Anders
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"Ben Chambers" <bdc### [at] hotmailcom> escribió en el mensaje
news:3b98fb35@news.povray.org...
> True, I really appreciate the new "artsy" look of POV-Ray :) Makes it
even
> more enjoyable! (I wonder if I could make the splash screen my desktop?
> Hmm...)
Just what I've done with "ALT+Print Screen". I've rendered it at
1280x1024, but without the text... seems that I like it more with the text,
don't know why... ;)
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Tom Melly wrote:
>
> This is fine if they are inside the Pov-Ray programs folder. However, if, for
> example, I elected to add the program icons to an existing folder called
> "graphics", I will then have 3 entries in "graphics" that could belong to any of
> my graphics programs: Read Me, Tutorial.., and Licence...
Okay, got it. However, the vast majority of Windows programs
install such items, so I don't think POV is wrong here.
I tend to let the contents of the start-menu-folders as-installed,
except that I usually add the version number to the program name
(QuickTime becomes QuickTime 5.0.1).
Then I organize the whole folders.
My Start menu set-up is something like (tree is top-down)
Start
Programs
Multimedia
Winamp
Irfanview
Quicktime
Graphics Creation
Paint Shop Pro
POV-Ray
etc. (all of these are folders)
--
Adrien Beau - adr### [at] freefr - http://adrien.beau.free.fr
Mes propos n'engagent que moi et en aucun cas mes employeurs
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Warp wrote:
>
> That's nothing compared to realplayer. It's just plain crazy! It put itself
> in every possible place! The desktop, they tray, the quickstart menu, the
> start menu, the control panel, and of course in start/programs/realplayer.
> Such an intrusive program was so ANNOYING that I deleted it immediately.
You can disable most of this during the installation process,
even before the "damage" is done. RealPlayer is aggressively
intrusive by default, but it has a minimum of good-will in
that every of the annoyances can be disabled. I now have a
RealPlayer that only displays an empty window when launched,
which is all I need to start a film.
I'm sorry we're going OT here and wasting the "bandwidth" of
the POV-Team.
--
Adrien Beau - adr### [at] freefr - http://adrien.beau.free.fr
Mes propos n'engagent que moi et en aucun cas mes employeurs
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Ben Chambers wrote:
>
> (I wonder if I could make the splash screen my desktop?
> Hmm...)
Don't forget you have version #1 at
http://oz.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/1998-10-31/running.jpg
--
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"Anders K." <and### [at] f2scom> wrote in message news:3b98d0ea$1@news.povray.org...
> > I don't see where you're getting two in the start menu from. It adds a
> > start menu group (strictly speaking, it's a program menu group, but I won't
> > split hairs) and a start menu icon (or direct shortcut), but that's not the
> > same thing as two icons in the start menu.
>
> But as well as adding the Start menu group Start > Program Files > POV-Ray
> for Windows 3.5, it also adds the *direct shortcut* Start > Program Files >
> POV-Ray for Windows.
Isn't this exactly what I just said ? You even quoted where I said it ! What
was the point of doing that ?
People like you forget that some users of POV-Ray are much less technical than
yourselves. Some users who don't know how to create an icon on their desktop,
for example. I take the attitude that it is much, much easier to click on an
unwanted desktop icon and press the 'delete' key (see, it's not that hard, is
it ???), than it is to create an icon where there isn't one (especially if the
user doesn't know how to do so).
I have been writing and maintaining the installers for POVWIN for six years now
and have a good idea of what to do and what to avoid, based on hard experience*.
I am not going to change it, and that's final.
If you feel that the two entries in the start menu (the group and the shortcut)
are excessive, please take my invitation to use the 'uninstall' feature, which
will remove those nasty, horrid, excessive icons from your computer once and for
all.
-- Chris
* Incidentally, you are the first person in all that time who has complained that
there are too many menu entries.
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> Isn't this exactly what I just said ?
Is it? If that's what you meant, I apologize. But you did say, "I don't see
where you're getting two in the start menu from". One is in Start > Programs
> POV-Ray for Windows, and one is in Start > Programs > POV-Ray for Windows
3.5 > POV-Ray for Windows. (Program Files was a typo, sorry :-))
Anders
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"Jérôme Grimbert" <jer### [at] atosorigincom> wrote :
> >
> > I'm told some persons use the desktop, so putting an icon there
> > is not a bad idea.
> >
>
> I find the desktop too agressive.
My windows keyboard comes with a "delete" key.
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> Isn't this exactly what I just said ? You even quoted where I said it !
What
> was the point of doing that ?
I don't want to get involved here but what I think Anders meant was that
there are two shortcuts to Pov-Ray. One of them is in the root of the
programs menu and the other is in the "Pov-Ray for Windows" menu group. Now
I don't understand what the complaint is though, there are many many
programs which do this.
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> My Start menu set-up is something like (tree is top-down)
>
> Start
> Programs
> Multimedia
> Winamp
> Irfanview
> Quicktime
> Graphics Creation
> Paint Shop Pro
> POV-Ray
> etc. (all of these are folders)
I used to do that, and still do religiously with my bookmarks, but after a
while and after a few OS reinstalls I gave up. Now I just rename any
particularly annoying folder names and, like you, add version numbers where
they make sense. Part of the reason was installing Office 2000, I never
could keep my start menu clean after installing that bugger.
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