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From: Jonathan Bush
Subject: Best render farm? Also You Tube upload advice sought
Date: 7 Jun 2024 02:25:00
Message: <web.6662a706e13a47386e558a71fde6c206@news.povray.org>
I generated the frames for a 3-minute video at 720x405 resolution and 12 fps,
which took just under 8 hours on my machine. I estimate the same video frames at
4k and 60 fps would take me more than a month of execution time.

Can anyone recommend a render farm which works with POVray 3.7 and offers high
quality and a good deal for the money? I don't think a subscription service is
what I want. I just want to process this one video, and I will consider a
subscription later.

I intend to upload a video to You Tube. I'm not sure precisely what format they
prefer. I assume that I just send them the 4k version and the system will
generate lower resolution options. All my still frames are in png format. The
video will include a free music file which just happens to be 3 minutes long.

Thanks for any clue.


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From: ingo
Subject: Re: Best render farm? Also You Tube upload advice sought
Date: 7 Jun 2024 03:05:00
Message: <web.6662b0b5e8b9731417bac71e8ffb8ce3@news.povray.org>
Maybe this thread has some useful info for you:
https://news.povray.org/povray.general/thread/%3Cweb.5d447e9f819e6d1a8bed1fa0%40news.povray.org%3E/

ingo

"Jonathan Bush" <djb### [at] gmxcom> wrote:
> I generated the frames for a 3-minute video at 720x405 resolution and 12 fps,
> which took just under 8 hours on my machine. I estimate the same video frames at
> 4k and 60 fps would take me more than a month of execution time.


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From: jr
Subject: Re: Best render farm? Also You Tube upload advice sought
Date: 7 Jun 2024 04:25:00
Message: <web.6662c34ae8b97314869a24876cde94f1@news.povray.org>
hi,

"ingo" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Maybe this thread has some useful info for you:
>
https://news.povray.org/povray.general/thread/%3Cweb.5d447e9f819e6d1a8bed1fa0%40news.povray.org%3E/
>
> ingo
>
> "Jonathan Bush" <djb### [at] gmxcom> wrote:
> > I generated the frames for a 3-minute video at 720x405 resolution and 12 fps,
> > which took just under 8 hours on my machine. I estimate the same video frames at
> > 4k and 60 fps would take me more than a month of execution time.


another option might be Yesbird's "povlab.online" site.  aiui, he's inviting
such use.


regards, jr.


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: Best render farm? Also You Tube upload advice sought
Date: 7 Jun 2024 04:31:33
Message: <6662c565$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/2024 09:21, Jonathan Bush wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a render farm which works with POVray 3.7 and offers high
> quality and a good deal for the money?

I have the free experimental service for POV-Ray rendering:
https://povlab.online
powered with Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2690 v2 @ 3.00GHz (40 cores).
Present UI does not allow to render animations, but if you will send
me a scene, ini and script I can render a few frames and we will have
estimation time for the whole movie, at least.

> I intend to upload a video to You Tube. I'm not sure precisely what format they
> prefer.
Look here:
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en

I have some experience of uploading videos, having this channel:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_L-Rlt-OWoJm6HN9t-hxXRk-b6SONXbJ

Are you sure that you really want 4K ? Not so many people now have real 
4K equipment and network for accepting it smoothly, may be 1440p (2K) 
will be optimal ?
--
YB


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From: Jonathan Bush
Subject: Re: Best render farm? Also You Tube upload advice sought
Date: 7 Jun 2024 09:45:00
Message: <web.66630e3ce8b973146e558a71fde6c206@news.povray.org>
yesbird <sya### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 07/06/2024 09:21, Jonathan Bush wrote:
> > Can anyone recommend a render farm which works with POVray 3.7 and offers high
> > quality and a good deal for the money?
>
> I have the free experimental service for POV-Ray rendering:
> https://povlab.online
> powered with Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2690 v2 @ 3.00GHz (40 cores).
> Present UI does not allow to render animations, but if you will send
> me a scene, ini and script I can render a few frames and we will have
> estimation time for the whole movie, at least.
>
> > I intend to upload a video to You Tube. I'm not sure precisely what format they
> > prefer.
> Look here:
> https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en
>
> I have some experience of uploading videos, having this channel:
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_L-Rlt-OWoJm6HN9t-hxXRk-b6SONXbJ
>
> Are you sure that you really want 4K ? Not so many people now have real
> 4K equipment and network for accepting it smoothly, may be 1440p (2K)
> will be optimal ?
> --
> YB

This is great! Thank you for providing this service. I understand we are
initiating a conversation, nothing is agreed so far. Attached is a tar.gz file.
See the included README file. My code is for Linux. Some surgery may be required
for Windows. You might also have to edit your povray.conf file so that my
post-frame command will work. There is a recent thread in this newsgroup about
that.

Yes, I suppose not many people have a 4K monitor. I don't. But that's a feature
of YouTube right? I upload a 3840x2160 video and they generate lower resolution
options such as 2560x1440 and 1920x1080, all with the same 16:9 aspect ratio. Am
I correct?


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Attachments:
Download 'l01game.tar.gz' (732 KB)

From: Jonathan Bush
Subject: Re: Best render farm? Also You Tube upload advice sought
Date: 7 Jun 2024 09:50:00
Message: <web.66630f70e8b973146e558a71fde6c206@news.povray.org>
"Jonathan Bush" <djb### [at] gmxcom> wrote:
> yesbird <sya### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > On 07/06/2024 09:21, Jonathan Bush wrote:
> > > Can anyone recommend a render farm which works with POVray 3.7 and offers high
> > > quality and a good deal for the money?
> >
> > I have the free experimental service for POV-Ray rendering:
> > https://povlab.online
> > powered with Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2690 v2 @ 3.00GHz (40 cores).
> > Present UI does not allow to render animations, but if you will send
> > me a scene, ini and script I can render a few frames and we will have
> > estimation time for the whole movie, at least.
> >
> > > I intend to upload a video to You Tube. I'm not sure precisely what format they
> > > prefer.
> > Look here:
> > https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en
> >
> > I have some experience of uploading videos, having this channel:
> > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_L-Rlt-OWoJm6HN9t-hxXRk-b6SONXbJ
> >
> > Are you sure that you really want 4K ? Not so many people now have real
> > 4K equipment and network for accepting it smoothly, may be 1440p (2K)
> > will be optimal ?
> > --
> > YB
>
> This is great! Thank you for providing this service. I understand we are
> initiating a conversation, nothing is agreed so far. Attached is a tar.gz file.
> See the included README file.

OOPS there is a typo in that readme file. it should say L01game.pov not
L0game.pov


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: Best render farm? Also You Tube upload advice sought
Date: 7 Jun 2024 10:34:55
Message: <66631a8f$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/2024 16:42, Jonathan Bush wrote:
> This is great! Thank you for providing this service. ...

Welcome :).
I've just started the rendering (yes, server under Ubuntu) and it
see how black frames are filling  <...>\frames4K\animated directory with
speed about ~100 frames per 6 minutes.
Are you animating "Black square" of Kazimir Malevich? :)

> Yes, I suppose not many people have a 4K monitor. I don't. But that's a feature
> of YouTube right? I upload a 3840x2160 video and they generate lower resolution
> options such as 2560x1440 and 1920x1080, all with the same 16:9 aspect ratio. Am
> I correct?
Yes, absolutely, but you can save a rendering time if will prepare 1440p
only.
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YB


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From: Jonathan Bush
Subject: Re: Best render farm? Also You Tube upload advice sought
Date: 7 Jun 2024 10:55:00
Message: <web.66631e0ae8b973146e558a71fde6c206@news.povray.org>
yesbird <sya### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 07/06/2024 16:42, Jonathan Bush wrote:
> > This is great! Thank you for providing this service. ...
>
> Welcome :).
> I've just started the rendering (yes, server under Ubuntu) and it
> see how black frames are filling  <...>\frames4K\animated directory with
> speed about ~100 frames per 6 minutes.
> Are you animating "Black square" of Kazimir Malevich? :)
>
> > Yes, I suppose not many people have a 4K monitor. I don't. But that's a feature
> > of YouTube right? I upload a 3840x2160 video and they generate lower resolution
> > options such as 2560x1440 and 1920x1080, all with the same 16:9 aspect ratio. Am
> > I correct?
> Yes, absolutely, but you can save a rendering time if will prepare 1440p
> only.
> --
> YB

The first 420 frames are static, to be replaced by a file exported from
Inkscape. Then there are 180 static frames which POVray needs to generate only
once.
Then come 9300 animated frames.
Finally the last 780 frames are static, which POVray generates only once.
So it may be challenging to make an accurate estimate how long it will all take.


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: Best render farm? Also You Tube upload advice sought
Date: 7 Jun 2024 11:10:02
Message: <666322ca$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/2024 17:49, Jonathan Bush wrote:
> The first 420 frames are static, to be replaced by a file exported from
> Inkscape. Then there are 180 static frames which POVray needs to generate only
> once.
> Then come 9300 animated frames.
> Finally the last 780 frames are static, which POVray generates only once.
> So it may be challenging to make an accurate estimate how long it will all take.
> 

Tricky, but you can check first 456 frames just for control here:
https://povlab.online/data/animated.zip
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YB


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From: yesbird
Subject: Re: Best render farm? Also You Tube upload advice sought
Date: 7 Jun 2024 11:34:35
Message: <6663288b$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/2024 17:49, Jonathan Bush wrote:
...

Got following error, looks like version issue, I am using 3.8 from here:
https://github.com/LeForgeron/povray.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rendering frame 606 of 10681 (#606)
Parser Options
   Input file: ./L01game.pov (compatible to version 3.70)
   Remove bounds........On
   Split unions.........Off
   Library paths:
     /home/s/syanenzc/povlab.online/public_html/povray/share/povray-3.8
 
/home/s/syanenzc/povlab.online/public_html/povray/share/povray-3.8/include
Animation Options
   Initial Frame:        1  Final Frame:    10681
   Frame Step:           1
   Initial Clock:    0.000  Final Clock:    0.000
   Cyclic Animation.....Off  Field render.........Off  Odd 
lines/frames.....Off
Image Output Options
   Image resolution.....3840 by 2160 (rows 1 to 2160, columns 1 to 3840).
   Output file............/frames4K/animated/L01game00606.png, 24 bpp PNG
   Dithering............Off
   Graphic display......On  (gamma: sRGB transfer function)
   Mosaic preview.......Off
   Continued trace......Off
Information Output Options
   All Streams to console..........On
   Debug Stream to console.........On
   Fatal Stream to console.........On
   Render Stream to console........On
   Statistics Stream to console....On
   Warning Stream to console.......On
==== [Parsing...] ==========================================================
************** This is an animated frame. **************
Row  1 is on layer  0
Row  2 is on layer  2
Row  3 is on layer  1
Row  4 is on layer  0
Row  5 is on layer  2
Row  6 is on layer  1
Row  7 is on layer  0
Row  8 is on layer  2
Row  9 is on layer  1
Row 10 is on layer  0
Row 11 is on layer  2
Row 12 is on layer  1
Row 13 is on layer  0
Row 14 is on layer  2
Row 15 is on layer  1
Row 16 is on layer  0
Move  1 is E16
Move  2 is SWP
Move  3 is L07
light tile on layer  0
Move  4 is K04
dark tile on layer  0
Move  5 is O04
light tile on layer  0
Move  6 is M04
dark tile on layer  0
Move  7 is L01
light tile on layer  0
Move  8 is L03
dark tile on layer  1
Move  9 is i04
light tile on layer  0
Move 10 is H01
dark tile on layer  0
Move 11 is i10
light tile on layer  0
Move 12 is H07
dark tile on layer  0
Move 13 is F07
light tile on layer  0
Move 14 is G04
dark tile on layer  0
Move 15 is G06
light tile on layer  1
Move 16 is H03
dark tile on layer  1
Move 17 is N01
light tile on layer  0
Move 18 is J01
dark tile on layer  0
Move 19 is J07
light tile on layer  0
Move 20 is i06
dark tile on layer  1
Move 21 is K06
light tile on layer  1
Move 22 is K10
dark tile on layer  0
Move 23 is J09
light tile on layer  1
Move 24 is H05
dark tile on layer  2
Move 25 is L13
light tile on layer  0
Move 26 is N03
dark tile on layer  1
Move 27 is M10
light tile on layer  0
Move 28 is L09
dark tile on layer  1
Move 29 is J13
light tile on layer  0
centerX=    -0.51962ViewAngleH =     15.62025
centerZ=     1.90000
row  1 cell  1 xloc -3.1177 zloc  4.5000
row  1 cell  2 xloc -2.0785 zloc  4.5000
row  1 cell  3 xloc -1.0392 zloc  4.5000
row  1 cell  4 xloc  0.0000 zloc  4.5000
row  1 cell  5 xloc  1.0392 zloc  4.5000
row  1 cell  6 xloc  2.0785 zloc  4.5000
row  1 cell  7 xloc  3.1177 zloc  4.5000
row  2 cell  1 xloc -3.6373 zloc  3.6000
row  2 cell  2 xloc -2.5981 zloc  3.6000
row  2 cell  3 xloc -1.5588 zloc  3.6000
row  2 cell  4 xloc -0.5196 zloc  3.6000
row  2 cell  5 xloc  0.5196 zloc  3.6000
row  2 cell  6 xloc  1.5588 zloc  3.6000
row  2 cell  7 xloc  2.5981 zloc  3.6000
row  2 cell  8 xloc  3.6373 zloc  3.6000
row  3 cell  1 xloc -4.1569 zloc  2.7000
row  3 cell  2 xloc -3.1177 zloc  2.7000
row  3 cell  3 xloc -2.0785 zloc  2.7000
row  3 cell  4 xloc -1.0392 zloc  2.7000
row  3 cell  5 xloc  0.0000 zloc  2.7000
row  3 cell  6 xloc  1.0392 zloc  2.7000
row  3 cell  7 xloc  2.0785 zloc  2.7000
row  3 cell  8 xloc  3.1177 zloc  2.7000
row  3 cell  9 xloc  4.1569 zloc  2.7000
row  4 cell  1 xloc -4.6765 zloc  1.8000
row  4 cell  2 xloc -3.6373 zloc  1.8000
row  4 cell  3 xloc -2.5981 zloc  1.8000
row  4 cell  4 xloc -1.5588 zloc  1.8000
row  4 cell  5 xloc -0.5196 zloc  1.8000
row  4 cell  6 xloc  0.5196 zloc  1.8000
row  4 cell  7 xloc  1.5588 zloc  1.8000
row  4 cell  8 xloc  2.5981 zloc  1.8000
row  4 cell  9 xloc  3.6373 zloc  1.8000
row  4 cell 10 xloc  4.6765 zloc  1.8000
row  5 cell  1 xloc -5.1962 zloc  0.9000
row  5 cell  2 xloc -4.1569 zloc  0.9000
row  5 cell  3 xloc -3.1177 zloc  0.9000
row  5 cell  4 xloc -2.0785 zloc  0.9000
row  5 cell  5 xloc -1.0392 zloc  0.9000
row  5 cell  6 xloc  0.0000 zloc  0.9000
row  5 cell  7 xloc  1.0392 zloc  0.9000
row  5 cell  8 xloc  2.0785 zloc  0.9000
row  5 cell  9 xloc  3.1177 zloc  0.9000
row  5 cell 10 xloc  4.1569 zloc  0.9000
row  5 cell 11 xloc  5.1962 zloc  0.9000
row  6 cell  1 xloc -5.7158 zloc  0.0000
row  6 cell  2 xloc -4.6765 zloc  0.0000
row  6 cell  3 xloc -3.6373 zloc  0.0000
row  6 cell  4 xloc -2.5981 zloc  0.0000
row  6 cell  5 xloc -1.5588 zloc  0.0000
row  6 cell  6 xloc -0.5196 zloc  0.0000
row  6 cell  7 xloc  0.5196 zloc  0.0000
row  6 cell  8 xloc  1.5588 zloc  0.0000
row  6 cell  9 xloc  2.5981 zloc  0.0000
row  6 cell 10 xloc  3.6373 zloc  0.0000
row  6 cell 11 xloc  4.6765 zloc  0.0000
row  6 cell 12 xloc  5.7158 zloc  0.0000
File 'L01text.inc' line 10: Possible Parse Error: Text may not be 
displayed as
  expected. Please refer to the user manual regarding changes in POV-Ray 
v3.8 and
  later.
File 'L01text.inc' line 10: Possible Parse Error: Text may not be 
displayed as
  expected. Please refer to the user manual regarding changes in POV-Ray 
v3.8 and
  later.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
YB


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