Op 21/05/2023 om 16:47 schreef eric:
> It's a pleasure to annonce that Moray 3.5 and Povray 3.5 run on Windows 11. I
> don't know why but it works with Windows 11 .

Good to know!

I have not been using Moray for ages indeed, but sometimes I would like 
to revisit to retry certain processes it was good at.

Thanks for the news!

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Thomas

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That's really interesting to hear; congratulations! I didn't know it was
possible.

I'm currently running Windows 10. In my archives, I happen to have the Moray
v3.5 installer from long ago. I tried firing that up, and it installs and runs
fine! (by itself). I don't know why I never tried this until now.

I'm using POV-ray v3.8.0 beta 1, which AFAIK is not 'compatible' with Moray(?)
as far as both of them being integrated together (like with your POV v3.5) -- so
at this point, the only thing I would like to do is to export one of the Moray
..mdl demo files as POV-ray SDL (.pov or .inc), then render it separately in
POV-ray. But I have forgotten how! It has been a *long* time since I last did
that exporting trick.

I've looked through the various Moray menus and read its 'help' files, but I
don't yet see where the proper 'export' feature is located (other than exporting
as .mdl or as 'UDO'.)

Suggestions?

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"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>
> at this point, the only thing I would like to do is to export one of the
> Moray .mdl demo files as POV-ray SDL (.pov or .inc), then render it
> separately in POV-ray. But I have forgotten how! It has been a *long* time
> since I last did that exporting trick.
>

BTW, I clearly remember being able to export a Moray scene as an SDL file-- but
I don't recall if running POV-ray v3.5 (at the same time) was a requirement to
do that. Or if an export plug-in of some kind was necessary instead. No plug-ins
are included in my current Moray installation.

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Op 24/05/2023 om 16:53 schreef Kenneth:
> "Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>>
>> at this point, the only thing I would like to do is to export one of the
>> Moray .mdl demo files as POV-ray SDL (.pov or .inc), then render it
>> separately in POV-ray. But I have forgotten how! It has been a *long* time
>> since I last did that exporting trick.
>>
> 
> BTW, I clearly remember being able to export a Moray scene as an SDL file-- but
> I don't recall if running POV-ray v3.5 (at the same time) was a requirement to
> do that. Or if an export plug-in of some kind was necessary instead. No plug-ins
> are included in my current Moray installation.
> 
> 
I /think/ POV 3.5 was not a requirement? Not sure. I did exactly the 
same, exporting an SDL file and using that in any current POV version I 
was running at the time (later than 3.5). I do not have Moray installed 
any more, so checking this is a bit difficult presently.

I am unable to find the "Memory_Fading off" switch...  ;-)

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Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 24/05/2023 om 16:53 schreef Kenneth:
> >
> > BTW, I clearly remember being able to export a Moray scene as an SDL file--
> > but I don't recall if running POV-ray v3.5 (at the same time) was a
> > requirement to do that. Or if an export plug-in of some kind was
> > necessary instead.  No plug-ins are included in my current Moray
> > installation.
> >
> I /think/ POV 3.5 was not a requirement? Not sure. I did exactly the
> same, exporting an SDL file and using that in any current POV version I
> was running at the time (later than 3.5).

I've been reading some of the older Moray posts here, to try and find some
useful info...

https://news.povray.org/moray.win/thread/%3C5a36ad66%241%40news.povray.org%3E/

Tim Cook in 2017, using Windows 10, was apparently able to 'export' his Moray
scenes as SDL (and then run them separately in POV-ray v3.7). I've followed the
directions there to try to do so after opening one of the included demo files:
Crtl-F9, or using 'export' under the 'Render' menu. The exported .pov file is
*supposed* to show up in a particular Moray  folder for use, which I located--
but nothing appears there.

Another post from 2010 gives the same instructions, and lists the exported files
that *should* show up...

https://news.povray.org/moray.win/thread/%3Cweb.4b7c950451e662bac1472ed0%40news.povray.org%3E/

I feel like I'm doing something wrong-- or NOT doing some basic additional step.
Very frustrating. I wonder if the OP here is able to export a Moray scene
successfully in Windows 11; he didn't mention any details.

(BTW: I was wrong about there being no plug-ins in Moray; there ARE a few that
are automatically loaded, although I don't see one that's specifically meant for
exporting a scene as POV-ray SDL. Maybe it's built-in? But not functioning?)

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Op 26/05/2023 om 04:33 schreef Kenneth:
> I feel like I'm doing something wrong-- or NOT doing some basic additional step.
> Very frustrating. I wonder if the OP here is able to export a Moray scene
> successfully in Windows 11; he didn't mention any details.
> 
> (BTW: I was wrong about there being no plug-ins in Moray; there ARE a few that
> are automatically loaded, although I don't see one that's specifically meant for
> exporting a scene as POV-ray SDL. Maybe it's built-in? But not functioning?)
> 

I think it is about time to bring back the old chap from the dungeons...

["It's alive! It's alive!"]

Over the coming weekend I am going to reinstall Moray and see where I 
get. Concerning plug-ins: yes, there were the custom plug-ins that came 
with the package, and there where those written by the users, most 
written in Lua, iirc. I must have all those tucked away in that mouldy 
chest in those same dungeons... now... where is that old key...?

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Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>
> Over the coming weekend I am going to reinstall Moray and see where I
> get...

Excellent! Thanks, Thomas. Hopefully it will all boil down to a missing plug-in
on my end(?). I'm keeping my fingers crossed for your success in exporting a
file.

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Op 21-5-2023 om 16:47 schreef eric:
> It's a pleasure to annonce that Moray 3.5 and Povray 3.5 run on Windows 11. I
> don't know why but it works with Windows 11 .

Well, it does not work for me...

I can install both but they do not work correctly and certainly not 
communicate correctly (Moray-->POV-Ray). In particular, POV-Ray 3.5 
refuses to render even its test scene (biscuits.pov) and I get the 
impression that files and/or folders are not at the right place.

So... how did you install both programs correctly?

Thanks for enlightening us... ;-)

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Thomas

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Op 26-5-2023 om 19:05 schreef Kenneth:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>
>> Over the coming weekend I am going to reinstall Moray and see where I
>> get...
> 
> Excellent! Thanks, Thomas. Hopefully it will all boil down to a missing plug-in
> on my end(?). I'm keeping my fingers crossed for your success in exporting a
> file.
> 

I I have your answer about "exporting" to POV-Ray. Just click on the 
"Raytrace" button or F9. If the communication between Moray and POV-Ray 
v3.5 works correctly, this generates a POV scene file which then renders 
the image in POV-Ray. The scene file can of course be saved as a .pov scene.

Even if everything seems to fail - as in my case (but see: *) - the test 
scene I had built in Moray was translated to POV-Ray code and stored in 
its "POVscn" folder.

* While writing this I just got the whole thing to work! :-)
Just a matter of correctly defining the folder destinations in Moray: 
use Alt+F9 or click the "Render Options" button

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Thomas

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OK. At least I got /some/ Moray scenes to render in POV-Ray v3.5 now.

Still problems with POV-Ray v3.5 proper though...

-- 
Thomas

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