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From: StephenS
Subject: Re: Wishlist/features
Date: 18 Aug 2006 16:59:04
Message: <44e62a18$1@news.povray.org>
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> a little sluggish, but still tolerable.
...
Yes, I have no problems with it's current size and refresh rate, it is most 
workable. I would like to add to the scene(x2 - x4) and this may become a 
problem. I have about 5 more main objects being worked on and many many 
smaller objects waiting there turn.

Stephen


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From: Steve Shelby
Subject: Re: Wishlist/features
Date: 18 Aug 2006 20:15:15
Message: <44e65813$1@news.povray.org>
"Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> wrote in message 
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> Hi Steve Shelby, you recently wrote in moray.win:
>
>> Here's a
>> quick way I just tried that will show you what I mean: make a sphere with 
>> 24
>> divisions; use "Convert to Wireframe" on it; in the duplicate dialogue
>> create 9 copies of the wireframe group, with references. This slows mine
>> down so much that I would not want to proceed any further.
> Holy crap, are you serious? That only creates around 3000 polygons. I
> must have a way more high-powered system, that scene doesn't slow it
> down in the least, I have 270fps in the 3D viewport (yes two hundred
> and seventy) and over 300 in the 2D views..
> Are you using software rendering by any chance? What are the hardware
> specs of your system?
>
> Just to see what brings my system down, I subdivided the mesh out of
> said sphere by 2 and extruded all the faces three times and now my
> system is at 5fps, but I have over a million triangles.
>
> BTW, to see how many triangles your scene has, Ctrl-Right-Click on the
> View name and click on the little Info icon. It'll show Triangles and
> Quads. Multiply the quads number by two and add it to the triangles to
> get the number of triangles being rendered.

Lutz,
Mine says 1.9 fps (BTW, what is fps?) with the scene I described above. Did 
you check the two boxes, spheres, and cylinders in the convert to wireframe 
dialog box? Or maybe you converted to mesh instead of to wireframe? My info 
shows216,000 triangles and 682,560 quads. When multiplied and added as you 
instructed, the total is 1,581,120.
My computer is a P4 2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, with Windows XP.
Steve


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Wishlist/features
Date: 18 Aug 2006 20:51:56
Message: <44e660ac$1@news.povray.org>
Steve Shelby wrote:
> Mine says 1.9 fps (BTW, what is fps?) with the scene I described above.

First-person shooter?  Hehe.  In this context, "frames per second".

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From: Lutz Kretzschmar
Subject: Re: Wishlist/features
Date: 18 Aug 2006 22:51:34
Message: <j1vce2pgm41hf2d3b77nb4462utsrbm55e@4ax.com>
Hi Steve Shelby, you recently wrote in moray.win:

> Mine says 1.9 fps (BTW, what is fps?) with the scene I described above. Did 
> you check the two boxes, spheres, and cylinders in the convert to wireframe 
> dialog box? Or maybe you converted to mesh instead of to wireframe? My info 
> shows216,000 triangles and 682,560 quads. When multiplied and added as you 
> instructed, the total is 1,581,120.
> My computer is a P4 2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, with Windows XP.
> Steve

OK, my mistake, I misread the Convert To Wireframe as you suspected. I
get less than 2 fps with that scene as well. But then again 1.5
million triangles IS a lot :-)

I think maybe allowing you to define a proxy object to display in an
objects place instead of its actual wireframe would allow you do get
around this without hiding stuff. I need to think about it a
little....

- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Wishlist/features
Date: 19 Aug 2006 02:43:45
Message: <44e6b321$1@news.povray.org>
"Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> schreef in bericht 
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>
> I think maybe allowing you to define a proxy object to display in an
> objects place instead of its actual wireframe would allow you do get
> around this without hiding stuff. I need to think about it a
> little....
>

I use this solution very often and it is very satisfactory :-)

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Wishlist/features
Date: 19 Aug 2006 02:44:57
Message: <44e6b369$1@news.povray.org>
"StephenS" <stephen@nospam> schreef in bericht 
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> ...
>> a little sluggish, but still tolerable.
> ...
> Yes, I have no problems with it's current size and refresh rate, it is 
> most workable. I would like to add to the scene(x2 - x4) and this may 
> become a problem. I have about 5 more main objects being worked on and 
> many many smaller objects waiting there turn.
>

Like Lutz says higher up in the thread, the use of placeholders may be a 
workaround?

Thomas


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From: StephenS
Subject: Re: Wishlist/features
Date: 19 Aug 2006 07:38:50
Message: <44e6f84a$1@news.povray.org>
> Like Lutz says higher up in the thread, the use of placeholders may be a 
> workaround?
>
> Thomas
The User Defined Object (UDO) is a type of placeholder, and one that I use. 
A more stream lined approach would be helpfull.

I would like to work on an object independent of a master scene file, as 
long as I don't update the placeholder, the master scene should look the 
same. After I've worked on the object I would like to simply 'save' and have 
Moray handle all the dependancies.

Stephen


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From: StephenS
Subject: Re: Wishlist/features
Date: 19 Aug 2006 07:44:59
Message: <44e6f9bb$1@news.povray.org>
"StephenS" <stephen@nospam> wrote in message 
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>> ... I would like to collect some of
>> your thoughts and comments around what the biggest pain points
>> currently are in Moray...
> 1) The one you suggested :-)
> 2) Improved support for large scenes.
...
> 3) I love the feature of seeing a preview of a scene when I 'Merge 
> Object',
...
2.5) Drag and drop in the Browser. Being able the change the sequence of 
objects in the scene tree, even if this needs to be a hole new window and 
the existing ones need to be updated with a 'apply changes' button.

Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Wishlist/features
Date: 19 Aug 2006 07:48:24
Message: <ihude2hprshd42frh7sgar96a4dapl9a4o@4ax.com>
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:44:52 -0400, "StephenS" <stephen@nospam> wrote:

>2.5) Drag and drop in the Browser. 

Yes I want this too

>Being able the change the sequence of objects in the scene tree, 

By dragging please

>even if this needs to be a hole new window and 
>the existing ones need to be updated with a 'apply changes' button.

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Wishlist/features
Date: 19 Aug 2006 08:09:49
Message: <44e6ff8d@news.povray.org>
"StephenS" <stephen@nospam> schreef in bericht 
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>
> ...
> 2.5) Drag and drop in the Browser. Being able the change the sequence of 
> objects in the scene tree, even if this needs to be a hole new window and 
> the existing ones need to be updated with a 'apply changes' button.
>

Yes! This would be very helpful!!!


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