Any idea when we might be seeing a version of Moray updated for POV 3.5?

Iborg

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On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:28:34 -0700, local wrote...
> Any idea when we might be seeing a version of Moray updated for POV 3.5?
> 
> Iborg

Check the website (http://www.stmuc.com/moray/menews.html), it's in Alpha 
ATM, I think.

Jamie.

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Jamie Davison wrote:

> Check the website (http://www.stmuc.com/moray/menews.html), it's in Alpha
> ATM, I think.

Yeah, that's the first place I looked.  But that page apparently hasn't been 
updated for almost three months.

And no, raytracing hasn't taught me patience.  Yet.


Iborg

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Hi local, 

Hehe, well that subject line definitely caught my eye :-))

> Any idea when we might be seeing a version of Moray updated for POV 3.5?
Hmmm, let's see..... well, the alpha testers haven't reported anything
for quite some time, so I think we're almost ready to start a
semi-public beta, i.e. one for registered users. They will be informed
by email when it's ready. 
I am currently somewhat buried in Real Work, so I cannot devote as
much time to Moray as I would like. But there are some new neat
features in there that many of you will like (and no, I'm not telling
right now :-).

Regards,

- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

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> > Any idea when we might be seeing a version of Moray updated for POV 3.5?
> Hmmm, let's see..... well, the alpha testers haven't reported anything
> for quite some time, so I think we're almost ready to start a
> semi-public beta, i.e. one for registered users. They will be informed
> by email when it's ready. 
> I am currently somewhat buried in Real Work, so I cannot devote as
> much time to Moray as I would like. But there are some new neat
> features in there that many of you will like (and no, I'm not telling
> right now :-).

As long as blobs and sphere sweeps are thetre, I don't really care too 
much :)

Jamie.

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Jamie Davison wrote:
> As long as blobs and sphere sweeps are thetre, I don't really care too 
> much :)

Photons, too.  Don't care so much for blobs, 'cause I do almost all of
my modelling with primitives (want sphere sweeps to make dangling wires)
hmm also spherical heightfield could be fun to play with.

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Timothy R. Cook wrote:

> Jamie Davison wrote:
>> As long as blobs and sphere sweeps are thetre, I don't really care too
>> much :)
> 
> Photons, too.  

Yeah, I'll take photons and UV mapping,etc,  without the hand coding.  I 
just recently hooked into Moray, and I intend to use it more to setup 
scenes (lighting, camera, textures)than to use it for modeling..... Rhino 
is, shall we say, a little more robust for model creation.

Iborg

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> Yeah, I'll take photons and UV mapping,etc,  without the hand coding.  I
Yes yes yes.

> just recently hooked into Moray, and I intend to use it more to setup
> scenes (lighting, camera, textures)than to use it for modeling..... Rhino
> is, shall we say, a little more robust for model creation.

I too use Moray nearly only for setting up scenes from Rhino.
And I'm quite happy with that combination.

It would be very useful if we could see the imported meshes in a shaded
preview, but there seems to be no easy way.
RAW import is not possible if the size is too big, and the meshes are not
smooth.
I don't think McNeel will update their export filter to the upcoming
advanced UDO format.
So someone had to write a plugin for Rhino, but I'm not able to do so.

Any ideas?

-C-H-A-R-L-E-S-

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> Any ideas?

I tried to avoid 3DWin because of the complicated workflow.
Because there are no other possibilties I'll try it now.

Maybe in the future it becomes easier.

-C-H-A-R-L-E-S-

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Aaah!!! The lucky guys that can afford Rhino!!!
Too expensive I'm afraid for the lay persons in this universe. Which is a
pity of course...
But with the next version of Moray + Hamapatch + POV-Ray 3.5 + ... (well,
whatever!) One starts to come closer, isn't it?

Thomas de Groot


"local" <rub### [at] llru> schreef in bericht news:3d365dc1@news.povray.org...
> Timothy R. Cook wrote:
>
> > Jamie Davison wrote:
> >> As long as blobs and sphere sweeps are thetre, I don't really care too
> >> much :)
> >
> > Photons, too.
>
> Yeah, I'll take photons and UV mapping,etc,  without the hand coding.  I
> just recently hooked into Moray, and I intend to use it more to setup
> scenes (lighting, camera, textures)than to use it for modeling..... Rhino
> is, shall we say, a little more robust for model creation.
>
> Iborg

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O.T.:

> Aaah!!! The lucky guys that can afford Rhino!!!
Don't be jealous.
It is an other point of view if you _have to work_ with it.

If you go to school (pupil or teacher) you can have Rhino very inexpensive.
Or go to the university and enrol.
Then you can have it for 199EUR.

-C-H-A-R-L-E-S-

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"Charles Panke" <cha### [at] t-onlinede> schreef in bericht
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> It is an other point of view if you _have to work_ with it.
Hmm... of course! I can imagine how Rhino feels then...
>
> If you go to school (pupil or teacher) you can have Rhino very
inexpensive.
> Or go to the university and enrol.
> Then you can have it for 199EUR.
Hmmm... (again!) I work for a semi-governmental/semi-private institution,
with connections to the University...
No! Won't do. For the outside world we are just a (big!) company. So I
should come up with a "really" good reason to buy Rhino(geology). Most 3D I
do is for pleasure/leasure!!

 Thomas de Groot

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Thomas de Groot <t.d### [at] internlnet> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
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> Aaah!!! The lucky guys that can afford Rhino!!!
> Too expensive I'm afraid for the lay persons in this universe. Which is a
> pity of course...
> But with the next version of Moray + Hamapatch + POV-Ray 3.5 + ... (well,
> whatever!) One starts to come closer, isn't it?

I still want to see something that can be done with Rhino+Moray+Pov
and that can't be done with Hamapatch+Moray+Pov...

And for those who work in other things that have nothing to do with 3D, like
me,
price is a very important thing.

Just my opinion (even though I've tried Rhino only a few times)

Txemi Jendrix
tji### [at] txemijendrixcom
http://www.txemijendrix.com

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Txemi Jendrix wrote:

> I still want to see something that can be done with Rhino+Moray+Pov
> and that can't be done with Hamapatch+Moray+Pov...

You'd have to tell me something that "can't" be done with Hamapatch.  I 
suspect it may well be more a matter of something being extremely difficult 
and time comsuming in Hamapatch vs. just a few moments of clicking and 
input in Rhino.  Hamapatch is certainly a good value for the price, but...

> And for those who work in other things that have nothing to do with 3D,
> like me,
> price is a very important thing.
> 
> Just my opinion (even though I've tried Rhino only a few times)

I'm a blue collar man myself, but Rhino isn't that hard to justify if you 
love 3D and you've used it enough to realize the power it holds.  And once 
you do a little searching on the net and find authorized resellers letting 
it go for roughly half price, it looks even better.  And it's really the 
only reason I still have a windows partition on my HD.

Iborg

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Why model something in a third-party package when you can build
it with a little thought and a few dozen CSGs? ;)

...I know, I don't do much modelling of any organic objects.

-- 
Tim Cook
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Timothy R. Cook wrote:

> Why model something in a third-party package 

Interesting question when you're in a group called moray.win !!

Why use POV at all when you download a pirated 3DSMAX off the net and render 
scanlines like tens of thousands of l33t teenagers the world over?

Vive La Difference, baby.

Iborg

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local wrote:
>>Why model something in a third-party package 
> Interesting question when you're in a group called moray.win !!

Er, I mean third-party to Moray.  Hehe.

> Why use POV at all when you download a pirated 3DSMAX off the
 > net and render scanlines like tens of thousands of l33t
 > teenagers the world over?

Because I couldn't figure out how to use 3DS...still have my
pirated copy in its 50-odd rar files.  Just in case I decide
to learn how to use it some day.  I don't like its faceted
spheres, though. :P

-- 
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local <rub### [at] llru> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
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> You'd have to tell me something that "can't" be done with Hamapatch.

I've been one day thinking about it, and I can't find something that "can't"
be done with Hamapatch. Sorry.

> I suspect it may well be more a matter of something being extremely
difficult
> and time comsuming in Hamapatch vs. just a few moments of clicking and
> input in Rhino.  Hamapatch is certainly a good value for the price, but...

But what?. The models I do are not extremily difficult (actually are very
easy)
nor time comsuming (you can work very quickly with hamapatch).
I fear that you know about Hamapatch more or less what I know about
Rhino...

> I'm a blue collar man myself, but Rhino isn't that hard to justify if you
> love 3D and you've used it enough to realize the power it holds.  And once
> you do a little searching on the net and find authorized resellers letting
> it go for roughly half price, it looks even better.  And it's really the
> only reason I still have a windows partition on my HD.

As it seems there is interest on it, why don´t you put some links?.
Bye

Txemi Jendrix
tji### [at] txemijendrixcom
http://www.txemijendrix.com

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Txemi Jendrix wrote:

> I've been one day thinking about it, and I can't find something that
> "can't" be done with Hamapatch. Sorry.

No worries...

> But what?. The models I do are not extremily difficult (actually are very
> easy)
> nor time comsuming (you can work very quickly with hamapatch).

That might tend to explain your level of happiness with Hamapatch.  If I was 
only interested in making "very easy" models, I'm sure Hamapatch would work 
just fine... or even Moray, for that matter.

> I fear that you know about Hamapatch more or less what I know about
> Rhino...

Perhaps.  Both are sitting here on my HD, and when they're both open at the 
same time comparison seems a bit.... unfair.  I never meant to give the 
impression that I somehow dislike Hamapatch.  As software that can be 
freely downloaded and used, it rocks.  Placed next to a commercial product 
such as Rhino, however, it's usefulness dims to obscurity.

> As it seems there is interest on it, why don´t you put some links?.
> Bye

http://www.google.com

knock yerself out :-p


Iborg

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Timothy R. Cook wrote:

>> Why use POV at all when you download a pirated 3DSMAX off the
>  > net and render scanlines like tens of thousands of l33t
>  > teenagers the world over?
> 
> Because I couldn't figure out how to use 3DS...still have my
> pirated copy in its 50-odd rar files.  Just in case I decide
> to learn how to use it some day.  I don't like its faceted
> spheres, though. :P

SSSSHHHHH!
Don't tell Lutz you willingly posess pirated software.  The next thing you 
know we'll need to use a dongle for Moray.

Iborg

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local <rub### [at] llru> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
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> > But what?. The models I do are not extremily difficult (actually are
very
> > easy)
> > nor time comsuming (you can work very quickly with hamapatch).
>
> That might tend to explain your level of happiness with Hamapatch.  If I
was
> only interested in making "very easy" models, I'm sure Hamapatch would
work
> just fine... or even Moray, for that matter.

Sorry, english is not my mothern language and sometimes I don't express
myself as
precisse as I would like (sometimes not at all).

I meant that the models I do are not extremely difficult (to do) (actually
are
very easy (to do)).
You can check the images
http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2002-06-30/elojo.jpg
http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2002-02-28/juegos.jpg
Most of the objects in these images are made with hamapatch.
Both images obtained a Technical Merit Medal in the IRTC.

> I never meant to give the impression that I somehow dislike Hamapatch.

And I never meant to give the impression that I somehow dislike Rhino.

> http://www.google.com
>
> knock yerself out :-p

I'm not interested in Rhino, but I have read in this and others newsgroups
posts
from people that consider it an excellent program (as it is) but expensive.
If you know a link to a place where they can get it for half its price maybe
they
reconsider their opinion. Why not sharing it?.

Bye

Txemi Jendrix
tji### [at] txemijendrixcom
http://www.txemijendrix.com

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local wrote:
> SSSSHHHHH!
> Don't tell Lutz you willingly posess pirated software.  The next
 > thing you  know we'll need to use a dongle for Moray.

Um...how would you use a dongle for Moray, and what exactly would
you do with it...O.o

Anyhoo, I have full intention to purchase a legit copy of the new
Moray the instant it comes out, 'cuz it's just that darn cool.
I think that says a great deal for a piece of software, when some-
one who uses mostly freeware and shareware (with the odd pirated
package thrown in for good measure) actually buys the thing.

...although, looking at my most-often-used programs list...
Mozilla             freeware
Gravity newsreader  freeware
Thumbsplus          dad bought it
Notepad             came with windows
Microsoft Excel 97  dad bought it
EWAN telnet client  freeware
Winamp              freeware
Moray               shareware
WinMX               freeware
Calculator          came with windows
Paint Shop Pro 7    dad bought it
X-tension           bought it

While technically using the stuff my dad bought is illegal
since he's using it on his computer, the stuff I use most
often is freebies. ^_^

-- 
Tim Cook
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Lutz:

  Any chance Developers will have a crack at it, or did I miss an email?

  I'm slowly working on a couple of plug ins.

                  == John ==
"Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> wrote in message
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> Hi local,
>
> Hehe, well that subject line definitely caught my eye :-))
>
> > Any idea when we might be seeing a version of Moray updated for POV 3.5?
> Hmmm, let's see..... well, the alpha testers haven't reported anything
> for quite some time, so I think we're almost ready to start a
> semi-public beta, i.e. one for registered users. They will be informed
> by email when it's ready.
> I am currently somewhat buried in Real Work, so I cannot devote as
> much time to Moray as I would like. But there are some new neat
> features in there that many of you will like (and no, I'm not telling
> right now :-).
>
> Regards,
>
> - Lutz
>   email : lut### [at] stmuccom
>   Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

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Timothy R. Cook wrote:
>....although, looking at my most-often-used programs list...
>Mozilla             freeware
>Gravity newsreader  freeware
>Thumbsplus          dad bought it
>Notepad             came with windows
>Microsoft Excel 97  dad bought it
>EWAN telnet client  freeware
>Winamp              freeware
>Moray               shareware
>WinMX               freeware
>Calculator          came with windows
>Paint Shop Pro 7    dad bought it
>X-tension           bought it
>

Tim,  Also look at http://amapi.idevgames.com/html/download.html for Amapi
4.1.5 which is a full functional free version.

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Why use Amapi, Rhino.. what are the main Advantages over stuff like:
sPatch/Hamapatch and Pov?!

I guess.. I just LOVE Pov.. I have gotten Copies of 3dsMax (From my company)
and Lightwave.. And I use Pov for almost everything (Except certain
animations)....


"Mike W" <mik### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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> Timothy R. Cook wrote:
> >....although, looking at my most-often-used programs list...
> >Mozilla             freeware
> >Gravity newsreader  freeware
> >Thumbsplus          dad bought it
> >Notepad             came with windows
> >Microsoft Excel 97  dad bought it
> >EWAN telnet client  freeware
> >Winamp              freeware
> >Moray               shareware
> >WinMX               freeware
> >Calculator          came with windows
> >Paint Shop Pro 7    dad bought it
> >X-tension           bought it
> >
>
> Tim,  Also look at http://amapi.idevgames.com/html/download.html for Amapi
> 4.1.5 which is a full functional free version.
>
>

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"Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> wrote in message
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> I am currently somewhat buried in Real Work, so I cannot devote as
> much time to Moray as I would like.

What about putting the code out into the public domain under a GNU-type
license and get a world full of programmers to help you out with it, a-la
Linux. You ought to be able to retain full control over it, but get others
to help get things done. Do you make that much from the sale of seats,
anyway? Along the same lines... I'm waiting on the purchase of my own copy
of Moray until the product matures to the level that it produces the output
that I want (mostly animation-related issues remain - models can always be
imported from more capable applications and the image quality of
(POV)ray-tracing can't be beat). A wonderful job so far... I'm crossing my
fingers for 3.5!

-Kman

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