hello,

i'm a pov newbie and i'm trying to take my modelling abilities
beyond basic geometric shapes and csg, so i've been working
with bezier patches in moray.  after doing just a couple of the
patch tutorials i was thrilled that i was able to form a boat hull
very quickly from a flat patch.

the boat hull forms the equivalent shape of a cross-section of
a bullet.  here's my problem:

my boat shape is missing the flat back part.  i figured this was
no big deal and proceeded to make another patch to fill it in.
then i discovered that its not so simple.  editting of patch shapes
using the control points occurs in an edit window by itself.  how
do i have the back of the boat visible so that i can shape a
patch to fill it in?

my more basic question is how do you ever design several
different patches that are to fit together into a unified object
when you can't work on one with the others in the same
window?  or can i and i'm being a dumb newbie?

thank you, miker

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Hi MR, you recently wrote in moray.win:

> editting of patch shapes using the control points 
> occurs in an edit window by itself.  how do i have 
> the back of the boat visible ....
Unfortunately, you can't. This will change with the next version. The
patch editing abilities of Moray are rather limited in comparison to
either sPatch or Hamapatch. I think if you're going to do a lot of
bezier modelling, you might be better of with Hamapatch at the moment.
There is an sPatch export filter plugin that allows you to transfer
the patch to Moray after you're done in sPatch. Not sure about
Hamapatch....

Sorry, I know that's not what you wanted to hear....

Regards,

- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

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> > editting of patch shapes using the control points 
> > occurs in an edit window by itself.  how do i have 
> > the back of the boat visible ....
> Unfortunately, you can't. This will change with the next version. The
> patch editing abilities of Moray are rather limited in comparison to
> either sPatch or Hamapatch. I think if you're going to do a lot of
> bezier modelling, you might be better of with Hamapatch at the moment.
> There is an sPatch export filter plugin that allows you to transfer
> the patch to Moray after you're done in sPatch. Not sure about
> Hamapatch....

The sPatch plugin wrok perfectly with HamaPatch too.  :)
 
> Sorry, I know that's not what you wanted to hear....

But it's what I was going to suggest too...

Bye for now,
     Jamie.

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hi lutz,

thanks for being straightforward.  actually, that is exactly what
i wanted to hear.  you've steered me towards a solution...  i'll
try out hamapatch for this particular problem.

thanks, miker



"Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> wrote in message
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> Hi MR, you recently wrote in moray.win:
>
> > editting of patch shapes using the control points
> > occurs in an edit window by itself.  how do i have
> > the back of the boat visible ....
> Unfortunately, you can't. This will change with the next version. The
> patch editing abilities of Moray are rather limited in comparison to
> either sPatch or Hamapatch. I think if you're going to do a lot of
> bezier modelling, you might be better of with Hamapatch at the moment.
> There is an sPatch export filter plugin that allows you to transfer
> the patch to Moray after you're done in sPatch. Not sure about
> Hamapatch....
>
> Sorry, I know that's not what you wanted to hear....
>
> Regards,
>
> - Lutz
>   email : lut### [at] stmuccom
>   Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

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Ah YES!! This is a modeling feature used in 3DS Max for mesh objects. See
why we should continue to support Moray/POV :) Thanks Lutz.
Allan
"Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> wrote in message
news:q58jut8mlmoec8tfm8okcaabmg1bm0l0tq@4ax.com...
> Hi MR, you recently wrote in moray.win:
>
> > editting of patch shapes using the control points
> > occurs in an edit window by itself.  how do i have
> > the back of the boat visible ....
> Unfortunately, you can't. This will change with the next version. The
> patch editing abilities of Moray are rather limited in comparison to
> either sPatch or Hamapatch. I think if you're going to do a lot of
> bezier modelling, you might be better of with Hamapatch at the moment.
> There is an sPatch export filter plugin that allows you to transfer
> the patch to Moray after you're done in sPatch. Not sure about
> Hamapatch....
>
> Sorry, I know that's not what you wanted to hear....
>
> Regards,
>
> - Lutz
>   email : lut### [at] stmuccom
>   Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

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