Iv not quite mastered the message posting system so this is meant to be in
reply to the post about dropping standards.

This is my first entry to the irtc ("hall of the mountain king" if you want
to see it) and I have to say that while I was voting I noticed that manyof
my scores were below 10. most of theses were using bryce as the renderer.
POV is free and in many cases produces better results so why not use it.
The people who said that there image had not been finished also annoyed me
as I put a lot of time and work into my entry and here were people who had
simply thrown a picture together. There are some great pictures in there
but they are buried beneath a lot of rubbish. hopefully people will not be
put off by this or the standard will keep dropping.

just my 2p

Peter

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"Vladimir" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
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> Iv not quite mastered the message posting system so this is meant to
be in
> reply to the post about dropping standards.

     Hi Peter, trust me, standards haven't generally dropped, this was
a fairly hard round to respond to in any raytracing terms, and as you
can see, a school class entered, and to me, that's very important, but
still hard for them - I think it's good that they entered, but I hope
a few will follow through with PoV...

>
> This is my first entry to the irtc ("hall of the mountain king" if
you want
> to see it) and I have to say that while I was voting I noticed that
manyof
> my scores were below 10.

  *Where* did you see your scores??

most of theses were using bryce as the renderer.
> POV is free and in many cases produces better results so why not use
it.

    Bryce may have been obtained through the schools 'students'
program if they have one. Yes, they could have obtained PoV, but PoV
is a little harder to learn in the time sequence for a competition
entry... BUt, that's not to say Bryce isn't hard to learn anyway...
<shrugs>


> The people who said that there image had not been finished also
annoyed me
> as I put a lot of time and work into my entry and here were people
who had
> simply thrown a picture together. There are some great pictures in
there
> but they are buried beneath a lot of rubbish. hopefully people will
not be
> put off by this or the standard will keep dropping.

     Well, I think it depends on the subject, but people won't be put
off. The IRTC over the years will get SO much better.

     Stick around and see what happens...  ;)

      ~Steve~


>
> just my 2p
>
> Peter
>
>

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Hi
thanks for the comments
>
>   *Where* did you see your scores??
>
I meant when I was voting on the entrants on the overview page. This was a
litle unclear in the first post. I have now finished voting however and
realise that some of the best pictures were kept till last so my comment
were probably slightly exaggerated. Some of the pictures are stunning.

on the subject of bryce being easier to learn than pov, I have never used
bryce so I cant really comment however I have been using Pov for only a
relitavely short time and have learnt how to do most basic things. For the
quality of results I would say that it would probably be better to learn
pov from the start.

Peter

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St. wrote:

>      Hi Peter, trust me, standards haven't generally dropped, this was
> a fairly hard round to respond to in any raytracing terms, and as you
> can see, a school class entered, and to me, that's very important, but
> still hard for them - I think it's good that they entered, but I hope
> a few will follow through with PoV...

IMO, It's poor ettiquite to have your first year art students swamp a 
competition. The IRTC was meant to be entered by *enthusiasts* of all 
skill levels, but that is just my viewpoint. Many of these images could 
qualify for being a "I did it because I had to" image. That's my main 
complaint.

I'm one of the few who really gets irritated at the lack of description. 
I'd like to know where the inspiration for the image came from, I'd like 
to know why you think it fits in the current competition category, I'd 
like to know how you made that image. What renderer did you use. If I 
see the bare minimum to submit an image, none of my questions are 
answered, and I'm staring at a poor quality image wondering how many 
minutes it took to throw it together.

-- 
~Mike

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Vladimir wrote:


> on the subject of bryce being easier to learn than pov, I have never used
> bryce so I cant really comment however I have been using Pov for only a
> relitavely short time and have learnt how to do most basic things. For the
> quality of results I would say that it would probably be better to learn
> pov from the start.

Hm, yes, and no... Starting out with POV Ray will not be an advantage 
when it comes to the more popular modelling and rendering packages. If 
you intend to use POV, then it is good to learn.

Nice entry, BTW...

-- 
~Mike

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"Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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>
> IMO, It's poor ettiquite to have your first year art students swamp a
> competition. The IRTC was meant to be entered by *enthusiasts* of all
> skill levels, but that is just my viewpoint. Many of these images could
> qualify for being a "I did it because I had to" image. That's my main
> complaint.
>
> I'm one of the few who really gets irritated at the lack of description.
> I'd like to know where the inspiration for the image came from, I'd like
> to know why you think it fits in the current competition category, I'd
> like to know how you made that image. What renderer did you use. If I
> see the bare minimum to submit an image, none of my questions are
> answered, and I'm staring at a poor quality image wondering how many
> minutes it took to throw it together.

I've had some of the same thoughts regarding the competition recently.  I
guess I just didn't want to say anything because, well, I haven't
contributed to the competition in over a year.

However, the new "Desert" topic interests me.  I know that Christoph Hormann
and others have done some very good desert scenes in the past, and I've
played around with some desert scenes myself.  I have a couple ideas in my
mind, which I think would be fun to try.  Unfortunately, this time of year
isn't ideal for me to create an entry, so I can't commit this round.

Good luck to all who enter!

-- 
Jeremy
www.beantoad.com

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"Vladimir" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
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>
> Hi
> thanks for the comments
> >
> >   *Where* did you see your scores??
> >
> I meant when I was voting on the entrants on the overview page. This
was a
> litle unclear in the first post.

   Ah, I see. No problem, I thought you'd found a secret page
somewhere, so wanted to take a peek...  ;)


I have now finished voting however and
> realise that some of the best pictures were kept till last so my
comment
> were probably slightly exaggerated. Some of the pictures are
stunning.

      Agreed.
>
> on the subject of bryce being easier to learn than pov, I have never
used
> bryce so I cant really comment however I have been using Pov for
only a
> relitavely short time and have learnt how to do most basic things.
For the
> quality of results I would say that it would probably be better to
learn
> pov from the start.

     And again, I agree. Besides that, I *love* diving in at the deep
end. When I first started with PoV nearly five years ago now, one of
my first posts mentioned that I "know this will take around five years
to get anywhere with it" - or words to that effect. I've never used
Bryce also, and in a way, I'm glad.

    Nice pic BTW.

    ~Steve~


>
> Peter
>
>

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"Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> St. wrote:
>
> >      Hi Peter, trust me, standards haven't generally dropped, this
was
> > a fairly hard round to respond to in any raytracing terms, and as
you
> > can see, a school class entered, and to me, that's very important,
but
> > still hard for them - I think it's good that they entered, but I
hope
> > a few will follow through with PoV...
>
> IMO, It's poor ettiquite to have your first year art students swamp
a
> competition. The IRTC was meant to be entered by *enthusiasts* of
all
> skill levels, but that is just my viewpoint. Many of these images
could
> qualify for being a "I did it because I had to" image. That's my
main
> complaint.

    I don't disagree, but in the end, I don't think it was entirely
their fault. I would say that the tutor was probably more to blame
than the students. He/she should have made sure that they entered in
the proper way.

    It's that, or it's a hoax with some jerk messing around...


>
> I'm one of the few who really gets irritated at the lack of
description.
> I'd like to know where the inspiration for the image came from, I'd
like
> to know why you think it fits in the current competition category,
I'd
> like to know how you made that image. What renderer did you use. If
I
> see the bare minimum to submit an image, none of my questions are
> answered, and I'm staring at a poor quality image wondering how many
> minutes it took to throw it together.

   Which is why I'd lean more towards a hoax entry...

     ~Steve~


>
> -- 
> ~Mike

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St. wrote:

> "Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:40f281b2$1@news.povray.org...

> 
>     I don't disagree, but in the end, I don't think it was entirely
> their fault. I would say that the tutor was probably more to blame
> than the students. He/she should have made sure that they entered in
> the proper way.

Bingo!


I'm not sure about the hoax idea, though. I suppose it could be the 
wonderful and (un)talented IMBJR...

-- 
~Mike

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> I'm not sure about the hoax idea, though. I suppose it could be the
> wonderful and (un)talented IMBJR...

Not likely, since there's no racial or sexual content on any of the pictures
this round, IIRC. ;-)

Now seriously, I hope such "sabotage" never happens. I don't think IMBJR
would do that (I think he's talented, although in a kind of "twisted" way
sometimes), and I hope no one else does.

About the Bryce images... there is at least one very good on-topic Bryce
image there, and another good one yet slightly off-topic, IMHO. Perhaps
something very good will come out of all this. After all, art is a way of
self-discovery - and perhaps someone who entered the competition for school
reasons will find in it a bigger part of oneself, and later provide us with
great images and concepts, even if the first attempts are feeble.

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