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From: Warp
Subject: Seeking assistance
Date: 26 Aug 2009 11:51:25
Message: <4a9559fd@news.povray.org>
When the new IRTC site was announced, I made the solemn promise of
submitting an image to its first round. Unfortunately due to laziness
and lack of inspiraction, I might have to break that promise.

  However, I got one idea which could be implementable. Problem is, the
deadline is in less than a week, so there just isn't too much time to do
anything.

  The major problem is that my idea would need a (more or less detailed)
model of a realistic fox, preferably in a certain posture, and I can't
find any such free mesh model on the internet. It might be thinkable to
make a CSG model for this, but there simply isn't time for that. Thus
I would need some existing mesh model. However, I can't find any such
mesh models, nor do I own any software which I could use to model&pose
such a thing.

  I was wondering if anybody here would know where I could find such a
mesh model, or maybe someone has such a model, and maybe a program which
could be used to pose it appropriately, and would donate it for my IRTC
entry.

  Of course this is a desperate request due to the short amount of time
left, but it doesn't hurt to ask...

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 26 Aug 2009 16:36:23
Message: <r07b95t5rh7n551un7leqvoi84jmm57aoo@4ax.com>
On 26 Aug 2009 11:51:25 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>  Of course this is a desperate request due to the short amount of time
>left, but it doesn't hurt to ask...

If I can manage to download a copy of Daz's Millennium cat I will try convert it
into a fox mesh. What sort of pose do you require?
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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Reactor
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 26 Aug 2009 16:55:01
Message: <web.4a95a031525d6ba9d60db48b0@news.povray.org>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> When the new IRTC site was announced, I made the solemn promise of
> submitting an image to its first round. Unfortunately due to laziness
> and lack of inspiraction, I might have to break that promise.
>
>   However, I got one idea which could be implementable. Problem is, the
> deadline is in less than a week, so there just isn't too much time to do
> anything.
>
>   The major problem is that my idea would need a (more or less detailed)
> model of a realistic fox, preferably in a certain posture, and I can't
> find any such free mesh model on the internet. It might be thinkable to
> make a CSG model for this, but there simply isn't time for that. Thus
> I would need some existing mesh model. However, I can't find any such
> mesh models, nor do I own any software which I could use to model&pose
> such a thing.
>
>   I was wondering if anybody here would know where I could find such a
> mesh model, or maybe someone has such a model, and maybe a program which
> could be used to pose it appropriately, and would donate it for my IRTC
> entry.
>
>   Of course this is a desperate request due to the short amount of time
> left, but it doesn't hurt to ask...
>
> --
>                                                           - Warp



I am fairly proficient in Wings, but I don't have much animal experience, and I
am still practicing texturing with UV mapping.  Also, Wings doesn't do posing
very well directly, and the project I was working on before (manipulating
meshes using a skeleton macro in pov) is very thoroughly stalled, largely
because my C skills are week, particularly when it comes to writing parsing
code...or understanding the parsing code of others.

Do you know exactly what pose?  Could you find examples of the pose?  I might be
able to give it a whirl.

-Reactor


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 26 Aug 2009 16:56:18
Message: <4a95a172@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
> >  Of course this is a desperate request due to the short amount of time
> >left, but it doesn't hurt to ask...

> If I can manage to download a copy of Daz's Millennium cat I will try convert it
> into a fox mesh. What sort of pose do you require?

  A state of readiness, looking a bit to the side (at the camera), in a
somewhat menacing posture.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 26 Aug 2009 17:15:09
Message: <4a95a5dd@news.povray.org>
Reactor <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Do you know exactly what pose?  Could you find examples of the pose?  I might be
> able to give it a whirl.

  Maybe something like this, but perhaps slightly more menacing:
http://www.1adventure.com/archives/images/frank-red-fox-colorado-lowrescrop.jpg

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Reactor
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 26 Aug 2009 17:40:00
Message: <web.4a95aa84525d6ba9d60db48b0@news.povray.org>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Reactor <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > Do you know exactly what pose?  Could you find examples of the pose?  I might be
> > able to give it a whirl.
>
>   Maybe something like this, but perhaps slightly more menacing:
> http://www.1adventure.com/archives/images/frank-red-fox-colorado-lowrescrop.jpg
>
> --
>                                                           - Warp


There was, a while back, a series of media fur macros.  I think you were
involved with them, the PCM hair macros?  The links I have are broken (I think
because geocities shut down), and I don't know much about how it worked, but I
was wondering whether or not a "bald mesh" of fairly simple geometry would work
in conjunction with those.

-Reactor


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 26 Aug 2009 17:42:48
Message: <f1bb955s7m0h2joct8793eg56b3sgnsggo@4ax.com>
On 26 Aug 2009 16:56:18 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
>> >  Of course this is a desperate request due to the short amount of time
>> >left, but it doesn't hurt to ask...
>
>> If I can manage to download a copy of Daz's Millennium cat I will try convert it
>> into a fox mesh. What sort of pose do you require?
>
>  A state of readiness, looking a bit to the side (at the camera), in a
>somewhat menacing posture.

I'll see what I can do and what the mesh looks like in PovRay. (The new(er)
method of Poser hair does not translate well when converted by PoseRay)
If I can't get a fox I can do a bear, dog, cat, lion (male) or wolf as I already
have those models.

I'll post a quick wolf image in p.b.i so you can see what it looks like.
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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 26 Aug 2009 18:00:36
Message: <4a95b084@news.povray.org>
Reactor <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> There was, a while back, a series of media fur macros.  I think you were
> involved with them, the PCM hair macros?  The links I have are broken (I think
> because geocities shut down), and I don't know much about how it worked, but I
> was wondering whether or not a "bald mesh" of fairly simple geometry would work
> in conjunction with those.

  Actually for my purposes a smooth model would work just fine. No need for
modelled fur.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 27 Aug 2009 16:38:19
Message: <jird959341im1j9ah410t36rf38v6qplak@4ax.com>
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:42:27 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:

>I'll see what I can do

Sorry Warp but I can't get the file so I can't make a fox :(
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Reactor
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 27 Aug 2009 20:40:00
Message: <web.4a972691525d6ba9aebdc0380@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:42:27 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
>
> >I'll see what I can do
>
> Sorry Warp but I can't get the file so I can't make a fox :(
> --
>
> Regards
>      Stephen

Meanwhile, mine looks like something between a wolf made of cardboard boxes
mixed with a crude representation of Anubis.

I'm having fun, though!

-Reactor


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From: Reactor
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 28 Aug 2009 03:50:01
Message: <web.4a978c0e525d6ba9a4c94d980@news.povray.org>
"Reactor" <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:42:27 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
> >
> > >I'll see what I can do
> >
> > Sorry Warp but I can't get the file so I can't make a fox :(
> > --
> >
> > Regards
> >      Stephen
>
> Meanwhile, mine looks like something between a wolf made of cardboard boxes
> mixed with a crude representation of Anubis.
>
> I'm having fun, though!
>
> -Reactor

I posted a WIP screen shot in the wolf thread in p.b.i.  I can give you what I
have now, if you like, but it isn't posed or textured, and up close face shots
should be avoided since it has no eyes.  Hopefully your idea involves a
silhouette :)

-Reactor


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 06:06:31
Message: <nbvh959rd15mqal1vv2j2i9tarsgscieec@4ax.com>
On 26 Aug 2009 16:56:18 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
>> >  Of course this is a desperate request due to the short amount of time
>> >left, but it doesn't hurt to ask...
>
>> If I can manage to download a copy of Daz's Millennium cat I will try convert it
>> into a fox mesh. What sort of pose do you require?
>
>  A state of readiness, looking a bit to the side (at the camera), in a
>somewhat menacing posture.

I've posted an image in p.b.i of the fox model I've made, in the Poser Wolf,
thread.
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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 06:24:40
Message: <4a9901e8@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
> I've posted an image in p.b.i of the fox model I've made, in the Poser Wolf,
> thread.

  Maybe if it was looking a bit more downwards (like it was looking downhill
at the camera), with the front legs a bit more towards the back and the tail
a bit more raised, it could be about perfect. Maybe the mouth closed.

  OTOH the deadline is approaching so fast that this may be a futile
endeavour... :(

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 06:40:51
Message: <ab1i95p5qr03b5e5ulvnsb7ag8dmet9i7h@4ax.com>
On 29 Aug 2009 06:24:40 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
>> I've posted an image in p.b.i of the fox model I've made, in the Poser Wolf,
>> thread.
>
>  Maybe if it was looking a bit more downwards (like it was looking downhill
>at the camera), with the front legs a bit more towards the back and the tail
>a bit more raised, it could be about perfect. Maybe the mouth closed.
>

OK I can do that, quite quickly. What sort of downward angle and how high do you
want the tail?

>  OTOH the deadline is approaching so fast that this may be a futile
>endeavour... :(

I'll try not to hold you up and good luck :)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 06:43:46
Message: <4a990661@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
> What sort of downward angle and how high do you
> want the tail?

  Maybe like the camera was at ground level, and the tail perhaps a bit
higher than the body.

> >  OTOH the deadline is approaching so fast that this may be a futile
> >endeavour... :(

> I'll try not to hold you up and good luck :)

  Where can I get the model?

  (And if I get to submit my entry, which name should I use to credit the
model?)

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 07:41:44
Message: <so4i955bn1bmp9neaivss2nc74v8oec89i@4ax.com>
On 29 Aug 2009 06:43:46 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
>> What sort of downward angle and how high do you
>> want the tail?
>
>  Maybe like the camera was at ground level, and the tail perhaps a bit
>higher than the body.
>

OK I will pose it in Poser and post some images until I get it right. Do you
want the fox to be on the slope of the hill? and if so what angle?

>> >  OTOH the deadline is approaching so fast that this may be a futile
>> >endeavour... :(
>
>> I'll try not to hold you up and good luck :)
>
>  Where can I get the model?

To test I've uploaded the files used in the test render in povray.binaries.misc
in the thread Fox Files - Fox2_.zip
It is a 3 part zip file containing the files; Fox01b_POV_scene.pov,
Fox01b_POV_mat.inc, Fox01b_POV_main.ini, Fox01b_POV_geom.inc and
Fox01b_FoxMilCat.jpg
You will need to scale it and invert the x axis.

>
>  (And if I get to submit my entry, which name should I use to credit the
>model?)

Stephen :)

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 08:41:43
Message: <4a992207@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
> Do you
> want the fox to be on the slope of the hill? and if so what angle?

  Standing on flat ground is ok.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 08:50:22
Message: <4a99240d@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
> OK I will pose it in Poser and post some images until I get it right.

  Maybe the head could be less tilted, if at all. Now it seems just like
he's being curious, rather than prepared to attack.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 08:56:03
Message: <589i95dr9bnrqm7rtbe8cnhcsi2jru9ub1@4ax.com>
On 29 Aug 2009 08:50:22 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
>> OK I will pose it in Poser and post some images until I get it right.
>
>  Maybe the head could be less tilted, if at all. Now it seems just like
>he's being curious, rather than prepared to attack.

Is that tilted to the side or up and down. Closing the mouth might have made him
look curious.
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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 09:00:28
Message: <4a99266c@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2009 08:50:22 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

> >Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
> >> OK I will pose it in Poser and post some images until I get it right.
> >
> >  Maybe the head could be less tilted, if at all. Now it seems just like
> >he's being curious, rather than prepared to attack.

> Is that tilted to the side or up and down. Closing the mouth might have made him
> look curious.

  It's now tilted to the side, which makes him look curious.

  Maybe more like this:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DvFc1bix9Rs/Rc9tP2jUsLI/AAAAAAAAAB0/dzDVQFV7e9g/s320/dog+2.jpg

  Btw, for some reason neither linux's unzip nor konqueror is able to unpack
the multipart zip you posted. I can't retrieve the files inside.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 09:13:50
Message: <61ai95d57ck19makfgbn4nd2obhc85unlk@4ax.com>
On 29 Aug 2009 09:00:28 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:


>> Is that tilted to the side or up and down. Closing the mouth might have made him
>> look curious.
>
>  It's now tilted to the side, which makes him look curious.
>
>  Maybe more like this:
>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DvFc1bix9Rs/Rc9tP2jUsLI/AAAAAAAAAB0/dzDVQFV7e9g/s320/dog+2.jpg
>

OK I'll try to copy that pose. Do you still want it look ing down and to the
side.

>  Btw, for some reason neither linux's unzip nor konqueror is able to unpack
>the multipart zip you posted. I can't retrieve the files inside.

That is because I posted the second part twice :(
I've now posted the third part of the archive.
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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 09:15:35
Message: <tdai95dbvejds2oj6gfkv13s4vief83qmu@4ax.com>
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:13:23 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:

>That is because I posted the second part twice :(
>I've now posted the third part of the archive.
>-

I downloaded the files and checked them out OK
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     Stephen


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Seeking assistance
Date: 29 Aug 2009 09:16:55
Message: <4a992a47@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2009 09:00:28 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:


> >> Is that tilted to the side or up and down. Closing the mouth might have made him
> >> look curious.
> >
> >  It's now tilted to the side, which makes him look curious.
> >
> >  Maybe more like this:
>
>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DvFc1bix9Rs/Rc9tP2jUsLI/AAAAAAAAAB0/dzDVQFV7e9g/s320/dog+2.jpg
> >

> OK I'll try to copy that pose. Do you still want it look ing down and to the
> side.

  Yes, like in that photo.

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                                                          - Warp


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