I'm worried.
This is the longest waiting time for an update of the IRTC stills round
IIRC.
No new topic is published too.
And I'm curious about the results.
Am I the only one who is thinking like me?

waiting...


Norbert Kern

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Norbert Kern <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> Am I the only one who is thinking like me?

  Yes.

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Norbert Kern <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> > Am I the only one who is thinking like me?
>
>   Yes.
>
> --
>                                                           - Warp

What Warp wanted to say is that you are not the first one who askes this
question. It's rather that this is being asked after almost every round.
By using the search you and all the others before you would have found that
the ftp version of the site is updated much earlier than the website.

http://news.povray.org/irtc.stills/thread/%3Ce8jh525bdgs9cj1s9o41b429035e3i1483@4ax.com%3E/

that's why you're the only one.

Regards Roman

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looks like the link isn't displayed correctly... just view the first thread
that appears in a seach for "irtc update"

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"Roman Reiner" <lim### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> looks like the link isn't displayed correctly... just view the first thread
> that appears in a seach for "irtc update"

I know the current round entries, I posted the links several times.
But normally the website is updated, you can see the current entries and the
new topic announced within 10 days. I cannot remember of a time lag like
now.
A 3 weeks delay is more or less normal only for announcing the results.


Norbert Kern

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"Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> a écrit dans le message de
news: web.446f0b31be843dabd02130260@news.povray.org...
> "Roman Reiner" <lim### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> > looks like the link isn't displayed correctly... just view the first
thread
> > that appears in a seach for "irtc update"
>
> I know the current round entries, I posted the links several times.
> But normally the website is updated, you can see the current entries and
the
> new topic announced within 10 days. I cannot remember of a time lag like
> now.
> A 3 weeks delay is more or less normal only for announcing the results.
>
>
> Norbert Kern
>
>
I agree it is unusually long and where can we vote or post comments yet?

Marc

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"M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote:

> I agree it is unusually long and where can we vote or post comments yet?



Voting is possible - but only from an 'invisible' page
http://irtc.org/stills/2006-04-30/vote.html


Norbert Kern

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"Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> a écrit dans le message de
news: web.446f6e98be843dabd02130260@news.povray.org...
> Voting is possible - but only from an 'invisible' page
> http://irtc.org/stills/2006-04-30/vote.html
>
>
> Norbert Kern
>
Thank you :-)

Marc

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You are far from being the only one with such a concern.  Thank you for
raising the issue and for supplying information on how to access the images
along with the comment and voting pages.  Even though there are alternative
means of access, it is still worrying that twenty-one days have gone by
with no update of the main page.  I’m hoping that someone who is directly
associated with the IRTC will kindly come forward with an update.  I hope
everyone is well.

A repeat of info for anyone reading this who might have missed Mr. Kern’s
other post: The new topic is "Light and Fog".

Best Regards,
Mike C.


"Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> I'm worried.
> This is the longest waiting time for an update of the IRTC stills round
> IIRC.
> No new topic is published too.
> And I'm curious about the results.
> Am I the only one who is thinking like me?
>
> waiting...
>
>
> Norbert Kern

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>
> "Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> > I'm worried.
> > This is the longest waiting time for an update of the IRTC stills round
> > IIRC.
> > No new topic is published too.
> > And I'm curious about the results.
> > Am I the only one who is thinking like me?
> >
> > waiting...
> >
> >
> > Norbert Kern

We are all thinking the same :)

This must be the longest waiting for results on the IRTC ever. Does anyone
have an idea why this is happening?

I don´t want this fine competition to dissappear from the face of the earth
just because no-one is there to update the IRTC website.
After all there are still lots of people willing to submit their hard work
and creativity to this fine competition.

Does anyone have an idea what can be done?

Hildur Kolbrun

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"Hildur K." <hil### [at] 3dcafemailevery1net> wrote in message 
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> This must be the longest waiting for results on the IRTC ever. Does anyone
> have an idea why this is happening?

       I think it's because the guys are updating the povray.org website.

        But yes, it is the longest time, (that I know of anyway).

        ~Steve~



> Hildur Kolbrun

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>> This must be the longest waiting for results on the IRTC ever.
>> Does anyone have an idea why this is happening?
>
>       I think it's because the guys are updating the povray.org
> website.
>        But yes, it is the longest time, (that I know of anyway).
>
>        ~Steve~

It's come up before, and basically they refused help from anyone.  Such a 
shame as I'm sure a faster response would encourage more people to take an 
interest.

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"scott" <spa### [at] spamcom> wrote in message news:44885b4f@news.povray.org...
>>> This must be the longest waiting for results on the IRTC ever.
>>> Does anyone have an idea why this is happening?
>>
>>       I think it's because the guys are updating the povray.org
>> website.
>>        But yes, it is the longest time, (that I know of anyway).

> It's come up before, and basically they refused help from anyone.

      Well, no, I know that they accepted help from at least one other guy 
that I know of, but it doesn't seem to be working.

Such a
> shame as I'm sure a faster response would encourage more people to take an 
> interest.

      It is a shame that after all these years, the IRTC isn't the the 
biggest and best tracing comp out there - it should be by now shouldn't it?

      I'm just wondering what else could be done to 'beef' it up generally, 
and get it working properly. I have to say though, that with all my 
enthusiasm in my reply to Norbert in this thread, that I was really quite 
disappointed with the last round. I've never marked so low as I did with 
this one.

     Anyway, here are some suggestions for all to play with:

o- Some kind of filter/rule to weed out unfinished/poor images. This will 
then at least project a more 'serious' side to the comp.

o- We should have a dedicated team of volunteers - the more the merrier 
because 'down time' with Real Life wouldn't be so much of a problem if 
shared out.

o- Let's introduce prizes, nothing big, but something like a (framed?) 
poster from Zazzle for the top six, (they each receive their own image). 
Quick thought - there could be a sub-competition whereby all top winners 
over the whole year are voted on, and the overall winner receives a 
trophy/something for that year.

o- Dedicated view/vote/comment/result dates would be nice.

   ~Steve~

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> enthusiasm in my reply to Norbert in this thread,

   Music Results thread.

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Steve wrote:
It is a shame that after all these years, the IRTC isn't the the
biggest and best tracing comp out there - it should be by now shouldn't it?

I definately agree.

>      Anyway, here are some suggestions for all to play with:
>
> o- Some kind of filter/rule to weed out unfinished/poor images. This will
> then at least project a more 'serious' side to the comp.

I think this is would be a difficult task. After all this would mean that
somebody (who?) had to view all the images and make a choice to filter out
the bad ones. I don´t think anybody would like to take on that
responsibility. Also, if you filter out poor images, where do you draw the
line? Art is after all a matter of taste. People already downvote these
images, those who make them just have to accept the vote they get, no harm
done.

> o- Let's introduce prizes, nothing big, but something like a (framed?)
> poster from Zazzle for the top six, (they each receive their own image).

I like this idea! Prizes don´t have to be big, more like symbolic, and a
Zazzle poster with your winning image on it would definately do the trick
for me! People would just have to remember to render their images in hi-res.

Quick thought - there could be a sub-competition whereby all top winners
> over the whole year are voted on, and the overall winner receives a
> trophy/something for that year.

 An extra competition of the winning images, may also work, but I think the
IRTC stats page

http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en

is already doing a invaluable job by giving people an overall
and long term credit for their work. I don´t know.

> o- Dedicated view/vote/comment/result dates would be nice

Absolutely.
>
Hildur Kolbrun

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> > o- Some kind of filter/rule to weed out unfinished/poor images. This will
> > then at least project a more 'serious' side to the comp.
> I think this is would be a difficult task. After all this would mean that
> somebody (who?) had to view all the images and make a choice to filter out
> the bad ones.

Just a half-thought out variation on the ideas here, feel free to ignore
this:

First people vote to choose maybe 20 images as the best. Then the the chosen
20 artists get one extra month to improve on their images if they want. In
the end a new vote is cast to choose the winning images from the improved
versions.

I already see three problems with this idea:

What to do this extra month? Should a new theme be chosen for people to work
on? Or will those who didnt get in top-20 just have to wait?

Who are allowed to vote the second time? I would suggest everyone who
participated initially..?

What to do with those who completely redesign their images in the second
round?

--
Some good points could be:

Some artists would use the extra month to improve the finer details of the
images. So overall the quality could improve. The voters would have
commented on their images in the first round so the artists would have
constructive criticism to build on in the second round as well.

This would give some participants an extra goal to reach. Now they
participate in the hope of getting to the second round. Its not just the
usual 3+3 prizes and then a hidden-away score list. This means the second
round should be big enough so at least some of the more hard-working
amateurs feel they have a chance.

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Two Points:
1st:
Some folks seem to be able to find ways of accessing IRTC files before the
main page changes.  If any kind person knows how to access the April 2006
Stills results and would like to share, it would be much appreciated.

2nd: RE:
"Sigurdur" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Some good points could be:
>
> Some artists would use the extra month to improve the finer details of the
> images. So overall the quality could improve. The voters would have
> commented on their images in the first round so the artists would have
> constructive criticism to build on in the second round as well.
>
Although I believe that giving images a "life after judging" in order to
benefit from constructive criticism is a good one in principle, I would be
reluctant to add more steps and complications to the official judging
process, which is presently dealing with issues relating to a transition in
volunteer administration.  This forum, however, is a great place to for
artists to submit various versions of an image and get feedback both before
and after judging.  (Some folks are doing it already.)  Perhaps one might
suggest this to some of the beginning artists whose work presently shows up
only in the IRTC.  Even if reworked images aren’t eligible for IRTC prizes,
the positive feedback and helpful advice would still make the effort
worthwhile.  Also, the notion of finding some way of rewarding
after-the-competition efforts outside of the main judging process isn't a
bad one.  Perhaps some of us could volunteer to work on this so as not to
heap even more work on the current IRTC volunteer admins.

Best Regards,
Mike C.

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> Some folks seem to be able to find ways of accessing IRTC files before the
> main page changes.  If any kind person knows how to access the April 2006
> Stills results and would like to share, it would be much appreciated.

there is a ftp adress, which normally is updated earlier than the main page
http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2006-04-30/ .

Norbert Kern

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"Hildur K." <hil### [at] 3dcafemailevery1net> wrote:
> >
> > "Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> > > I'm worried.
> > > This is the longest waiting time for an update of the IRTC stills round
> > > IIRC.
> > > No new topic is published too.
> > > And I'm curious about the results.
> > > Am I the only one who is thinking like me?
> > >
> > > waiting...
> > >
> > >
> > > Norbert Kern
>
> We are all thinking the same :)
>
> This must be the longest waiting for results on the IRTC ever. Does anyone
> have an idea why this is happening?
>
> I don´t want this fine competition to dissappear from the face of the earth
> just because no-one is there to update the IRTC website.
> After all there are still lots of people willing to submit their hard work
> and creativity to this fine competition.
>
> Does anyone have an idea what can be done?
>
> Hildur Kolbrun

Hi...
Its my first and i can´t wait, What Happeee.....
Good Look
SEa Joe Luis

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St. wrote:

>      Anyway, here are some suggestions for all to play with:
> 
> o- Some kind of filter/rule to weed out unfinished/poor images. This will
> then at least project a more 'serious' side to the comp.
> 
> o- We should have a dedicated team of volunteers - the more the merrier
> because 'down time' with Real Life wouldn't be so much of a problem if
> shared out.
> 
> o- Let's introduce prizes, nothing big, but something like a (framed?)
> poster from Zazzle for the top six, (they each receive their own image).
> Quick thought - there could be a sub-competition whereby all top winners
> over the whole year are voted on, and the overall winner receives a
> trophy/something for that year.
> 
> o- Dedicated view/vote/comment/result dates would be nice.

A web forum, and threads where participants HAVE to post their WIPs... a la
CGTalk. Just a little bit more aimed to amateurs...
I'd love that.

--
Jonathan.

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Norbert Kern wrote:
>>Some folks seem to be able to find ways of accessing IRTC files before the
>>main page changes.  If any kind person knows how to access the April 2006
>>Stills results and would like to share, it would be much appreciated.
> 
> 
> there is a ftp adress, which normally is updated earlier than the main page
> http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2006-04-30/ .
> 
> Norbert Kern
> 

A minor added comment:

Tack on zipped-up/ to this URL to reach "all-text.zip" (all the text 
files submitted with the images) and to "images-1.zip" and 
"images-2.zip" (all the images for this round).  Easier to download them 
this way rather than downloading them each individually.

Of course, if you just want to look at them on-line rather than 
downloading them, ignore my suggestion.   ;-)

These zipped files seem to be made available within a day of the close 
of the rounds, so it is possible to see them immediately.  Obviously, 
not the scoring or comments, but at least the images and their 
corresponding text files.

      -=- Larry -=-

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Hi all,

while some of the ideas for changing the IRTC are quite interesting, I think
it a bad idea to make things more complicated just now. For reasons unknown
(to me, at least) the results of the last round are still not available,
and there are only two weeks left for the next deadline. Whoever is having
problems here definitely does NOT need MORE work to do. I sincerely hope
that the problems are not too serious ( illness? injury?? ).

On the other hand: this HAD to happen when, after lurking for years, I
finally decided to compete ;-)    I really would like to know how far down
the list my entry might appear ...

Have a nice weekend

Karl J. Anders

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"Karl Anders" <kar### [at] webde> wrote:
>
>
> while some of the ideas for changing the IRTC are quite interesting, I think
> it a bad idea to make things more complicated just now. For reasons unknown
> (to me, at least) the results of the last round are still not available,
> and there are only two weeks left for the next deadline. Whoever is having
> problems here definitely does NOT need MORE work to do. I sincerely hope
> that the problems are not too serious ( illness? injury?? ).
>
I have the sneaking feeling that whoever has this task is simply not around.
Does anybody know who exactly is taking care of the IRTC website?

Does anybody from the IRTC ever post replies to inquieries here?

I´m just curious, I don´t know what is the exact connection between Povray
and the IRTC.

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> I have the sneaking feeling that whoever has this task is simply not around.
> Does anybody know who exactly is taking care of the IRTC website?

Jesse Becker is doing this volunteer job IIRC -

http://irtc.org/pipermail/irtc-l/2006-May/012759.html


Norbert Kern

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The waiting is killing me too. This is my first round since 2002. I swear
I've been checking the irtc.org page 10 times a day waiting for the results
to get posted.

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"P Brewer" <pbj### [at] wowwaycom> wrote:
> The waiting is killing me too. This is my first round since 2002. I swear
> I've been checking the irtc.org page 10 times a day waiting for the results
> to get posted.



This sounds familiar to me.
By the way, congratulations for your very nice entry.

Norbert Kern

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"Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
>
> Jesse Becker is doing this volunteer job IIRC -
>
> http://irtc.org/pipermail/irtc-l/2006-May/012759.html
>

So he is. But he explicitly stated in that post that he does NOT do the work
for voting.

Still waiting ...
Karl J. Anders

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"Hildur K." <hil### [at] 3dcafemailevery1net> wrote in message 
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> "Karl Anders" <kar### [at] webde> wrote:

> Does anybody from the IRTC ever post replies to inquieries here?

     I *really* wish they did. Damn, this is getting crazy. Having said 
that, I sincerely hope all is well with the admin.

      ~Steve~

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"Hildur K." <hil### [at] 3dcafemailevery1net> wrote in message 
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> Steve wrote:
> It is a shame that after all these years, the IRTC isn't the the
> biggest and best tracing comp out there - it should be by now shouldn't 
> it?
>
> I definately agree.
>
>>      Anyway, here are some suggestions for all to play with:
>>
>> o- Some kind of filter/rule to weed out unfinished/poor images. This will
>> then at least project a more 'serious' side to the comp.
>
> I think this is would be a difficult task. After all this would mean that
> somebody (who?)

Somebody with some standing in the Pov-Ray arena. Someone that knows what a 
good image is depending on its artistic merit, conceptual merit, and 
technical merit. Crap image > get rid. Something going for it > keep. Simple 
really.


had to view all the images and make a choice to filter out
> the bad ones. I don´t think anybody would like to take on that
> responsibility.

Why not?


Also, if you filter out poor images, where do you draw the
> line? Art is after all a matter of taste. People already downvote these
> images, those who make them just have to accept the vote they get, no harm
> done.

  ...And they get comments that will seriously make them *better* in their 
CG attempts? I think not.


>
>> o- Let's introduce prizes, nothing big, but something like a (framed?)
>> poster from Zazzle for the top six, (they each receive their own image).
>
> I like this idea! Prizes don´t have to be big, more like symbolic, and a
> Zazzle poster with your winning image on it would definately do the trick
> for me! People would just have to remember to render their images in 
> hi-res.

   Not a problem, so let's do it.  :o)


>
> Quick thought - there could be a sub-competition whereby all top winners
>> over the whole year are voted on, and the overall winner receives a
>> trophy/something for that year.
>
> An extra competition of the winning images, may also work, but I think the
> IRTC stats page
>
> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
>
> is already doing a invaluable job by giving people an overall
> and long term credit for their work. I don´t know.

Did you mean: http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=top10&lang=en>   ?



>> o- Dedicated view/vote/comment/result dates would be nice
>
> Absolutely.

     This has got to be a 'MUST DO'.


        ~Steve~



>>
> Hildur Kolbrun
>
>
>
>
>
>

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