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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 5 Sep 2001 07:28:54
Message: <3b960c76$1@news.povray.org>
I'd like to do something illustrating the fight against disease, specifically
AIDS. Do you think this is a fair interpretation? I don't mind being crucified
by a few voters for (ITHO) being off-topic, but what's the general consensus?

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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 5 Sep 2001 07:57:54
Message: <3B961322.5E01102B@videotron.ca>
Tom Melly wrote:
> 
> I'd like to do something illustrating the fight against disease, specifically
> AIDS. Do you think this is a fair interpretation? I don't mind being crucified
> by a few voters for (ITHO) being off-topic, but what's the general consensus?

100% on-topic, IMHO.

-- 
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 5 Sep 2001 08:57:17
Message: <3b96212c@news.povray.org>
Francois Labreque <fla### [at] videotronca> wrote:
: 100% on-topic, IMHO.

  As long as the image clearly shows some kind of fight/war.

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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 5 Sep 2001 09:19:33
Message: <3b962665@news.povray.org>
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message news:3b96212c@news.povray.org...
> Francois Labreque <fla### [at] videotronca> wrote:
> : 100% on-topic, IMHO.
>
>   As long as the image clearly shows some kind of fight/war.
>

Define clearly ;)

FYI my idea was for a shot of a typical cocktail of the drugs used by an HIV+
patient. This would (hopefully) illustrate both the individual "war" fought by
the patient against the disease, and the larger "war" fought by the medical
establishment as they create more and more sophisticated drugs to deal with this
slippery and adaptable enemy.


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 5 Sep 2001 09:55:31
Message: <3B962FAF.B2D8DB3D@pacbell.net>
Tom Melly wrote:
> 
> "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message news:3b96212c@news.povray.org...
> > Francois Labreque <fla### [at] videotronca> wrote:
> > : 100% on-topic, IMHO.
> >
> >   As long as the image clearly shows some kind of fight/war.
> >
> 
> Define clearly ;)
> 
> FYI my idea was for a shot of a typical cocktail of the drugs used by an HIV+
> patient. This would (hopefully) illustrate both the individual "war" fought by
> the patient against the disease, and the larger "war" fought by the medical
> establishment as they create more and more sophisticated drugs to deal with this
> slippery and adaptable enemy.

Is this the best idea you can come up with? While it is a noble cause
and all that I don't think it will score well compared to what others
are going to submit - 50% battle Mechs with lasers blazing in the night.

I was thinking of showing two Battle Mechs sitting at a table playing checkers :)

Someone can use that idea if they want. I won't have time to work on it
this round.

-- 
Ken Tyler


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From: Ben Chambers
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 5 Sep 2001 11:19:01
Message: <3b964265@news.povray.org>
"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:3B962FAF.B2D8DB3D@pacbell.net...
> Is this the best idea you can come up with? While it is a noble cause
> and all that I don't think it will score well compared to what others
> are going to submit - 50% battle Mechs with lasers blazing in the night.
>
> I was thinking of showing two Battle Mechs sitting at a table playing
checkers :)
>
> Someone can use that idea if they want. I won't have time to work on it
> this round.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler

You forgot to mention that the battlemechs were piloted by scantily clad
poser models :)

...Chambers


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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 5 Sep 2001 12:39:04
Message: <3B9655A2.C115DD66@inapg.inra.fr>
Ken wrote:

> I was thinking of showing two Battle Mechs sitting at a table playing checkers :)

Hey, that was my Fortress entry ! Anyone who does it gets sued for plagiarism ;-)
Kidding apart, the trouble with topics that lead to literal images is that less
"obvious" images are likely to be considered as off-topic, even if they are on topic
on a more abstract level.

G.

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From: Adrien Beau
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 5 Sep 2001 12:59:47
Message: <3B9659F7.28D2B663@sycomore.fr>
Gilles Tran wrote:
> 
> Ken wrote:
> 
> > I was thinking of showing two Battle Mechs sitting at a table playing checkers :)
> 
> Hey, that was my Fortress entry ! Anyone who does it gets sued for plagiarism ;-)

And then some French juge will impose povray.org to implement an
A.I. that detects and prevents people from submitting images remotely
resembling images submitted by French people? No way!  :-))

> Kidding apart, the trouble with topics that lead to literal images is that less
> "obvious" images are likely to be considered as off-topic, even if they are on topic
> on a more abstract level.

I think the difficulty in that case, for the authors, is to make
a less "obvious" image that is still obviously connected to the
topic.

E.g. through humor or metaphor, though it doesn't always cross
cultural gaps, as we've seen with the handful of "porcelain gods"
in the "Worship" rounds. On the other hands, when it works, it
gives the viewers a great feeling of awe. "Now, that is a brilliant
idea". This is how entrants (should) earn points on "Interpretation
of theme", I think.

To make myself clear, I'm always a bit sad when I have to read
the text description that comes with a submission to finally
understand how the author connected it to the theme.

E.g. a simple shot of several drugs on a bedtable wouldn't
probably make me think "warfare", until I read Tom's explanation.

-- 
Adrien Beau - adr### [at] freefr - http://adrien.beau.free.fr
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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 6 Sep 2001 04:48:29
Message: <3b97385d$1@news.povray.org>
"Adrien Beau" <adr### [at] sycomorefr> wrote in message
news:3B9659F7.28D2B663@sycomore.fr...

> E.g. a simple shot of several drugs on a bedtable wouldn't
> probably make me think "warfare", until I read Tom's explanation.

Probably me neither - and I'm a great believer in the notion that you shouldn't
HAVE to read the accompanying text to understand the context - I'm trying to
think of some classic war photo (e.g. those US marines raising the flag) that
would lend itself to the composition.

Any suggestions?


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From: Adrien Beau
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 6 Sep 2001 04:53:53
Message: <3B973999.3DF76ED6@sycomore.fr>
Some ActUp "soldiers" raising a "Fight AIDS" flag on a
pharmacorp building. With a composition similar to the
famous Berlin photo of Russian soldier raising their
flags over the ruins of the Nazi empire.

-- 
Adrien Beau - adr### [at] freefr - http://adrien.beau.free.fr
 Mes propos n'engagent que moi et en aucun cas mes employeurs


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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 6 Sep 2001 04:54:42
Message: <3b9739d2$1@news.povray.org>
"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:3B962FAF.B2D8DB3D@pacbell.net...
>
> Is this the best idea you can come up with? While it is a noble cause
> and all that I don't think it will score well compared to what others
> are going to submit - 50% battle Mechs with lasers blazing in the night.

Idea? Yes. Composition? Still working on it. To be honest, I'm never that
worried about my ranking. I like the irtc for a) making me focus on a particular
topic/image and b) the time limit means I actually get to finish an image.

Without the irtc all I'd ever have was a series of WIPs.

>
> I was thinking of showing two Battle Mechs sitting at a table playing checkers
:)
>
> Someone can use that idea if they want. I won't have time to work on it
> this round.
>

Nice - or a battle mech playing a video game? And btw when was the last time you
entered the irtc? I've always thought of you as one of those guys who's too busy
with pov to actually render anything.... ;)


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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 6 Sep 2001 05:18:04
Message: <3b973f4c$1@news.povray.org>
"Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlucouk> wrote in message
news:3b97385d$1@news.povray.org...

> think of some classic war photo (e.g. those US marines raising the flag) that
> would lend itself to the composition.

Actually, thinking about it, the above might work (iwo jima). Thermometer as
flag, pill boxes, etc. as soldiers. Hmmm....

http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/fi/0000018f.htm


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 6 Sep 2001 06:27:12
Message: <3B97505F.3C60EFA@pacbell.net>
Tom Melly wrote:

> I've always thought of you as one of those guys who's too busy
> with pov to actually render anything.... ;)

<Sigh!>

-- 
Ken Tyler


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 6 Sep 2001 07:25:49
Message: <3b975d3d@news.povray.org>
Tom Melly <tom### [at] tomandlucouk> wrote:
: I'm a great believer in the notion that you shouldn't
: HAVE to read the accompanying text to understand the context

  I also think this is a very good principle. An image should speak by
itself, without needing to explain it separately.
  (Of course the image can have secondary details which open to the viewer
only after reading the description, and this is, in fact, a very good thing,
but the main topic should be clear from the image itself.)

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From: ken
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 8 Sep 2001 00:41:19
Message: <3B999FB8.EDD718DF@pacbell.net>
Warp wrote:
>   I also think this is a very good principle. An image should speak by
> itself, without needing to explain it separately.

snip

All the truly great works of art need no written exlpination.

Ken Matassa


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From: Simon de Vet
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 8 Sep 2001 01:49:02
Message: <Xns91161CE6437sdevetistarca@204.213.191.226>
ken <kma### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in news:3B999FB8.EDD718DF@pacbell.net:

> Warp wrote:
>>   I also think this is a very good principle. An image should speak by
>> itself, without needing to explain it separately.
> 
> snip
> 
> All the truly great works of art need no written exlpination.

Which is not to say that the viewer shouldn't have to think for themselves 
now and then.

-- Simon


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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 12 Sep 2001 07:31:58
Message: <3b9f47ae@news.povray.org>
"Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlucouk> wrote in message
news:3b962665@news.povray.org...
> "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message news:3b96212c@news.povray.org...
> > Francois Labreque <fla### [at] videotronca> wrote:
> > : 100% on-topic, IMHO.
> >
> >   As long as the image clearly shows some kind of fight/war.
> >
>
> Define clearly ;)
>
> FYI my idea was for a shot of a typical cocktail of the drugs used by an HIV+
> patient. This would (hopefully) illustrate both the individual "war" fought by
> the patient against the disease, and the larger "war" fought by the medical
> establishment as they create more and more sophisticated drugs to deal with
this
> slippery and adaptable enemy.
>

How about a white blood cell fighting an AIDS virus cell...?

- Nekar


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From: Tek
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 12 Sep 2001 16:07:22
Message: <3b9fc07a@news.povray.org>
> How about a white blood cell fighting an AIDS virus cell...?

I thought white blood cells couldn't fight the AIDS virus. That's the problem, I
think. I might be wrong.

--
Tek
http://www.evilsuperbrain.com


Nekar Xenos <j-p### [at] citywalkcoza> wrote in message
news:3b9f47ae@news.povray.org...
>
> "Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlucouk> wrote in message
> news:3b962665@news.povray.org...
> > "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:3b96212c@news.povray.org...
> > > Francois Labreque <fla### [at] videotronca> wrote:
> > > : 100% on-topic, IMHO.
> > >
> > >   As long as the image clearly shows some kind of fight/war.
> > >
> >
> > Define clearly ;)
> >
> > FYI my idea was for a shot of a typical cocktail of the drugs used by an
HIV+
> > patient. This would (hopefully) illustrate both the individual "war" fought
by
> > the patient against the disease, and the larger "war" fought by the medical
> > establishment as they create more and more sophisticated drugs to deal with
> this
> > slippery and adaptable enemy.
> >
>
> How about a white blood cell fighting an AIDS virus cell...?
>
> - Nekar
>
>


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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: Yet another warfare interpretation
Date: 13 Sep 2001 02:22:08
Message: <3ba05090@news.povray.org>
"Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote in message news:3b9fc07a@news.povray.org...
> > How about a white blood cell fighting an AIDS virus cell...?
>
> I thought white blood cells couldn't fight the AIDS virus. That's the problem,
I
> think. I might be wrong.
>

You're right. In that case it would be the AIDS virus consuming the white blood
cells. Mmm- or maybe a white blood-cell armed with an automatic syringe shooting
explosive capsules....

- Nekar


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