Sorry for that stupid question, but from France, I don't really figure what
Pacific Time is. Could you please give the equivalent in GMT ?

Thanks

Estelle, Rennes, France

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Estelle Gargatte wrote:

> Pacific Time is. Could you please give the equivalent in GMT ?

It is GMT - 7. That means if you live in GMT+1 and your clock shows
13.00 pm it is 5 am in PDT time zone (I just learned this too!).

I hope this helps,

Marc

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Universitaet Stuttgart

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On Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:50:59 +0100, Marc Schimmler 
	<sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> wrote:
>Estelle Gargatte wrote:
>
>> Pacific Time is. Could you please give the equivalent in GMT ?
>
>It is GMT - 7. That means if you live in GMT+1 and your clock shows
>13.00 pm it is 5 am in PDT time zone (I just learned this too!).

Those places in the US where Daylight Savings Time is observed
stop observing it ("fall back") on the last Sunday in October.  
This means that "Pacific Time" currently means "Pacific 
Standard Time", which is GMT-8.  This will continue to be true 
until the first Sunday in April, when the barbarians will once 
more begin observing Daylight Savings Time and will "spring 
forward" to GMT-7.  

For the sake of everyone involved, I'll suppress my standard 
rant about how much productivity this 18th-century practice 
costs us twice a year as people miss appointments and deadlines
because they forgot to reset one of the approximately twelve
billion clocks in the average American house.

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Ron Parker wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:50:59 +0100, Marc Schimmler
>         <sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> wrote:
> >It is GMT - 7. That means if you live in GMT+1 and your clock shows
> >13.00 pm it is 5 am in PDT time zone (I just learned this too!).
> 
> Those places in the US where Daylight Savings Time is observed
> stop observing it ("fall back") on the last Sunday in October.
> This means that "Pacific Time" currently means "Pacific
> Standard Time", which is GMT-8.  This will continue to be true
> until the first Sunday in April, when the barbarians will once
> more begin observing Daylight Savings Time and will "spring
> forward" to GMT-7.
> 

Thank you for the correction!

>
> For the sake of everyone involved, I'll suppress my standard
> rant about how much productivity this 18th-century practice
> costs us twice a year as people miss appointments and deadlines
> because they forgot to reset one of the approximately twelve
> billion clocks in the average American house.

So this nonsense is practised everywhere! 
Try to tell your children that everything is now one hour earlier (or
later?).

Marc

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Universitaet Stuttgart

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On Mon, 02 Nov 1998 16:10:09 +0100, Marc Schimmler 
	<sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> wrote:
>Ron Parker wrote:
>> For the sake of everyone involved, I'll suppress my standard
>> rant about how much productivity this 18th-century practice
>> costs us twice a year as people miss appointments and deadlines
>> because they forgot to reset one of the approximately twelve
>> billion clocks in the average American house.
>
>So this nonsense is practised everywhere! 
>Try to tell your children that everything is now one hour earlier (or
>later?).

Not everywhere.  Most of Indiana has been a bastion of sanity since 
WWII, but our elected "leaders" keep trying to change that.

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To further clarify deadlines for entry into the IRTC:

Stills are 11:59:59 GMT minus 7 hours, last day of second month, for the 
March/April through July/August topics.

Animations are 11:59:59 GMT minus 7 hours, 15th day of the last month, for 
January to April, April to July, and July to October topic rounds.

Stills are 11:59:59 GMT minus 8 hours, last day of second month, for the 
September/October through January/February topics.

Animations 11:59:59 GMT minus 8 hours, 15th day of the last month, for only 
the October to January topic round.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

(Note: GMT is Greenwich Meridian Time also known as Universal Time or UT)

Examples (possible errors due to outdated/misinterpreted information):

GMT - 12:00 Kwajelein Atoll, Marshall Islands
GMT - 11:00 Midway Islands, (US?)
GMT - 10:00 Hawaii, USA
GMT - 9:00  Alaska, USA
GMT - 8:00  Pacific Time (US and Canada)
GMT - 7:00  Mountain Time (US and Canada)
GMT - 6:00  Mexico City, Mexico
GMT - 5:00  Eastern Time (US and Canada)
GMT - 5:00  Indiana (East), USA
GMT - 4:00  Caracas, Venezuela (-4:30?)
GMT - 3:45  Georgetown, British Guiana
GMT - 3:30  Island of Newfoundland, Newfoundland
GMT - 3:00  Brasilia, Brazil
GMT - 2:00  Tel Aviv, Israel
GMT - 1:00  Sao Tiago, Cape Verde Islands
GMT - 0:00  London, England
GMT + 1:00  Paris, France
GMT + 2:00  Eastern Europe
GMT + 3:00  Moscow, Russia
GMT + 3:30  Tehran, Iran
GMT + 4:30  Kabul, Afghanistan
GMT + 4:00  Masqat, Muscat(?)
GMT + 5:00  Karachi, Pakistan
GMT + 5:30  New Delhi, India
GMT + 6:00  Dahka (Dacca?), Pakistan East(?)
GMT + 7:00  Hanoi,Vietnam
GMT + 8:00  Hong Kong, China
GMT + 9:00  Tokyo, Japan
GMT + 9:30  Darwin, Australia
GMT + 10:00 Sydney, Australia
GMT + 11:00 Solomon Islands, Melanesia
GMT + 12:00 Wellington, New Zealand

Message <363dc898.0@news.povray.org>, Ron Parker typed...
>
>On Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:50:59 +0100, Marc Schimmler 
>        <sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> wrote:
>>Estelle Gargatte wrote:
>>
>>> Pacific Time is. Could you please give the equivalent in GMT ?
>>
>>It is GMT - 7. That means if you live in GMT+1 and your clock shows
>>13.00 pm it is 5 am in PDT time zone (I just learned this too!).
>
>Those places in the US where Daylight Savings Time is observed
>stop observing it ("fall back") on the last Sunday in October.  
>This means that "Pacific Time" currently means "Pacific 
>Standard Time", which is GMT-8.  This will continue to be true 
>until the first Sunday in April, when the barbarians will once 
>more begin observing Daylight Savings Time and will "spring 
>forward" to GMT-7.  

-- 
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  http://members.aol.com/inversez/POVring.html
=Bob

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ver### [at] aolcom (=Bob) writes:

> (Note: GMT is Greenwich Meridian Time also known as Universal Time or UT)

  Not quite: 0:00 GMT is 12:00 UT (noon), while 0:00 UT is midnight and
12:00 GMT.  (Oh man, don't tell me you're confused...  Nobody uses the
12-hour-cycles anymore, do they?)

Roland.
-- 
Les francophones m'appellent Roland Mas,
English speakers call me Rowlannd' Mass,
Nihongode hanasu hitoha [Lolando Masu] to iimasu.
Choisissez ! Take your pick ! Erande kudasai !

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Ron Parker wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:50:59 +0100, Marc Schimmler
>         <sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> wrote:
> >Estelle Gargatte wrote:
> >
> >> Pacific Time is. Could you please give the equivalent in GMT ?
> >
> >It is GMT - 7. That means if you live in GMT+1 and your clock shows
> >13.00 pm it is 5 am in PDT time zone (I just learned this too!).
>
> Those places in the US where Daylight Savings Time is observed
> stop observing it ("fall back") on the last Sunday in October.
> This means that "Pacific Time" currently means "Pacific
> Standard Time", which is GMT-8.  This will continue to be true
> until the first Sunday in April, when the barbarians will once
> more begin observing Daylight Savings Time and will "spring
> forward" to GMT-7.
>
> For the sake of everyone involved, I'll suppress my standard
> rant about how much productivity this 18th-century practice
> costs us twice a year as people miss appointments and deadlines
> because they forgot to reset one of the approximately twelve
> billion clocks in the average American house.

  My average amrican home does not have 12 billion clocks.
Perhaps a dozen is all.

Ken Tyler

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"Estelle Gargatte" <est### [at] rennessemafr> wrote:

>Sorry for that stupid question, but from France, I don't really figure what
>Pacific Time is. Could you please give the equivalent in GMT ?

This URL -

  http://www.whitepages.com.au/time.shtml

will, I believe, allow you to find out what time - in your local area - any
other given time in the world is, and vice versa. Just enter USA/California in
the top, and your area in the bottom.

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On 3 Nov 1998 00:17:10 -0500, =Bob <ver### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>To further clarify deadlines for entry into the IRTC:

[...]

>Please correct me if I am wrong.

The FAQ clearly states that the deadlines are Pacific Time.  It
just doesn't specify whether they mean Pacific Standard Time or 
Pacific Daylight Time, so I'm assuming they mean whichever is 
current.

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"povray.org admin team" wrote:
> This URL -
> 
>   http://www.whitepages.com.au/time.shtml
> 
> will, I believe, allow you to find out what time - in your local area - any
> other given time in the world is, and vice versa. Just enter USA/California in
> the top, and your area in the bottom.

Perhaps a nice java app with the current ATMOIC time on the comp page
would help. :)

And yes, it's not "greenwich meantime" anymore, it's "universal time".
For some reason, probably politically correct.

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Dang! I knew I should have looked it up first. Thanks.

Message <m3e### [at] rpc66acratrcojp>, Roland Mas typed...
>
>ver### [at] aolcom (=Bob) writes:
>
>> (Note: GMT is Greenwich Meridian Time also known as Universal Time or UT)
>
>  Not quite: 0:00 GMT is 12:00 UT (noon), while 0:00 UT is midnight and
>12:00 GMT.  (Oh man, don't tell me you're confused...  Nobody uses the
>12-hour-cycles anymore, do they?)
>
>Roland.
>-- 
>Les francophones m'appellent Roland Mas,
>English speakers call me Rowlannd' Mass,
>Nihongode hanasu hitoha [Lolando Masu] to iimasu.
>Choisissez ! Take your pick ! Erande kudasai !

-- 
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  http://members.aol.com/inversez/POVring.html
=Bob

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It gets even worse in Australia.  For some reason all of the states except
Queensland (which I live in) are on daylight saving.  Try to ring Melbourne
in the afternoon, damn, one hour too late!!!

--
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Ron Parker wrote in message <363dc898.0@news.povray.org>...
>On Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:50:59 +0100, Marc Schimmler
> <sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> wrote:
>>Estelle Gargatte wrote:
>>
>>> Pacific Time is. Could you please give the equivalent in GMT ?
>>
>>It is GMT - 7. That means if you live in GMT+1 and your clock shows
>>13.00 pm it is 5 am in PDT time zone (I just learned this too!).
>
>Those places in the US where Daylight Savings Time is observed
>stop observing it ("fall back") on the last Sunday in October.
>This means that "Pacific Time" currently means "Pacific
>Standard Time", which is GMT-8.  This will continue to be true
>until the first Sunday in April, when the barbarians will once
>more begin observing Daylight Savings Time and will "spring
>forward" to GMT-7.
>
>For the sake of everyone involved, I'll suppress my standard
>rant about how much productivity this 18th-century practice
>costs us twice a year as people miss appointments and deadlines
>because they forgot to reset one of the approximately twelve
>billion clocks in the average American house.
>

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Estelle Gargatte wrote:
> 
> Sorry for that stupid question, but from France, I don't really figure what
> Pacific Time is. Could you please give the equivalent in GMT ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Estelle, Rennes, France

	The East Coast US is 5 hours behind London not Greenwich. The
west coasit 3 hours behind hte east coast. 

	But as the IRTC team folk said, I wake up, see who has submitted
and try to fit them in even if they are late or words to that
effect. 

	As to France, that is up to you to find out but it should not be
more than 6 hours difference. Israel is 7, take your pick.

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Matt Giuer <jul### [at] ijnet> wrote in message news:37240619.AC6D93E6@ij.net...
> Estelle Gargatte wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for that stupid question, but from France, I don't really figure
what
> > Pacific Time is. Could you please give the equivalent in GMT ?
> >
>
> The East Coast US is 5 hours behind London not Greenwich. The
> west coasit 3 hours behind hte east coast.
>

    Well, firstly, we don't have a country big enough to have more than one
time zone, so London time _is_ GMT for about half the year, but then, for
the rest of the year, we all (the whole country, not just London) go over to
BST (British summer time).

    And, to answer Estelle's question - According to Win98, Pacific Time is
GMT-8hrs.

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Work homepage : http://www.cyberlife.co.uk

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On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:26:57 +0100, Scott Hill wrote:
>    And, to answer Estelle's question - According to Win98, Pacific Time is
>GMT-8hrs.

We've been over this before, I think.  Pacific STANDARD Time is GMT-8.  
The west coast is currently observing Pacific DAYLIGHT Time, which is GMT-7.
For the current time in any US time zone (with the exception of the places
that do not observe daylight savings time) go to 

http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/timer.pl

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Ron Parker <par### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:26:57 +0100, Scott Hill wrote:
> >    And, to answer Estelle's question - According to Win98, Pacific Time
is
> >GMT-8hrs.
>
> We've been over this before, I think.  Pacific STANDARD Time is GMT-8.
> The west coast is currently observing Pacific DAYLIGHT Time, which is
GMT-7.

   So it's BST-8 then ! (BST = British summer time = GMT+1)

(he said just to throw a web of confusion over the matter) ;-)

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On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:20:45 +0100, Scott Hill wrote:
>Ron Parker <par### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote in message
>news:3725c74a.0@news.povray.org...
>> On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:26:57 +0100, Scott Hill wrote:
>> >    And, to answer Estelle's question - According to Win98, Pacific Time
>is
>> >GMT-8hrs.
>>
>> We've been over this before, I think.  Pacific STANDARD Time is GMT-8.
>> The west coast is currently observing Pacific DAYLIGHT Time, which is
>GMT-7.
>
>   So it's BST-8 then ! (BST = British summer time = GMT+1)
>
>(he said just to throw a web of confusion over the matter) ;-)

Almost, but y'all change to/from BST on different dates than the western
US changes to/from PDT.  Just to keep it interesting, you understand.

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[snip] 
>         The East Coast US is 5 hours behind London not Greenwich. The
> west coasit 3 hours behind hte east coast.
[snip]

Greenwich is in London.

Steve

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Surely when running an internet based competition it's best to go
by GMT anyway. 

Steve

Matt Giuer wrote:
> 
> Estelle Gargatte wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for that stupid question, but from France, I don't really figure what
> > Pacific Time is. Could you please give the equivalent in GMT ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Estelle, Rennes, France
> 
>         The East Coast US is 5 hours behind London not Greenwich. The
> west coasit 3 hours behind hte east coast.
> 
>         But as the IRTC team folk said, I wake up, see who has submitted
> and try to fit them in even if they are late or words to that
> effect.
> 
>         As to France, that is up to you to find out but it should not be
> more than 6 hours difference. Israel is 7, take your pick.

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Steve wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> >         The East Coast US is 5 hours behind London not Greenwich. The
> > west coasit 3 hours behind hte east coast.
> [snip]
> 
> Greenwich is in London.
> 
> Steve

London ? Is that somewhere near England ?

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There was similiar dicussion on the IRTC mailing list.
Bill Marrs answered this one completely.

I cite his mail to IRTC-l


----------------------------------
Bill Marrs:

"If we made it midnight (the logical deadline time) GMT, we'd actually
be shaving off 7 or 8 hours from the time, and that's bad.  

I wish there was a way I could express to everyone that the "deadline"
is not so strict.  What actually happens is, the morning after the
deadline, I get up, get some breakfast, read my email, and then think
"oh! it's
time to wrap up another IRTC round!", then I work on cleaning up broken
submissions and general end of round house cleaning.  

This is actually well after the actual deadline occurs, and even then
if an artist is struggling to get something in (and tell me), I'll
usually
work with them (even bend over backwards to get their submission in
somehow,
someway).  By noon my time (US Eastern Time) I will generally stop
waiting and close the round.  Chip makes the zip files and then I start
the
mirrors.  

Sometimes one of us isn't around (I was skiing last round), and there
can be an additional delay, but most of the time that's how it goes."
---------------------------------------------------------


I hope this makes it all clear.


Marc
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Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> There was similiar dicussion on the IRTC mailing list.
> Bill Marrs answered this one completely.
> 
> I cite his mail to IRTC-l
<stuff>
> I hope this makes it all clear.
> 
> Marc

Clear as invisible here.

  One question concerning the aforementioned mailing list. Is there much
traffic on the list or is it intentionaly quite except for the times when
announcements are necessary. I have three lists I'm on now and am going to
be unsubscribing to one of them soon just to cut down the amount of mail
I have to keep up with. On the other hand this is one list I am interested
in but don't want to have the same problem I am currently working to
eliminate. So how about it. What is the traffic on the list like at the
present time ?

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Ken wrote:
> 
> 
>   One question concerning the aforementioned mailing list. Is there much
> traffic on the list or is it intentionaly quite except for the times when
> announcements are necessary. I have three lists I'm on now and am going to
> be unsubscribing to one of them soon just to cut down the amount of mail
> I have to keep up with. On the other hand this is one list I am interested
> in but don't want to have the same problem I am currently working to
> eliminate. So how about it. What is the traffic on the list like at the
> present time ?
> 

I subscribed to it but after the second time that they lost me in their
list I didn't return to it. The reason for that is that I've seen too
much noise there. The problem is that if you read most of the povray
news and cgrr and a mailing list this could become an overkill. I
decided from my personal point of view that the ratio of mail important
for me to the mail unimportant for me is too low (I hope I haven't hurt
anybody with this statement, it's just my personal opinion and your may
vary in any amount). 

Regarding the traffic .. there were times when the traffic was quit high
10 or more mail in one day and then periods when not even one appeared
on my screen.

Marc
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I've been in Greenwich, AND I DIDN'T SEE THE MERIDIAN !!
there was a plate that said it was there, but no line
anywhere !   Big deception ;-)

Fabien.

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Marc Schimmler wrote:

> 
> I subscribed to it but after the second time that they lost me in their
> list I didn't return to it. The reason for that is that I've seen too
> much noise there. The problem is that if you read most of the povray
> news and cgrr and a mailing list this could become an overkill. I
> decided from my personal point of view that the ratio of mail important
> for me to the mail unimportant for me is too low (I hope I haven't hurt
> anybody with this statement, it's just my personal opinion and your may
> vary in any amount).
> 
> Regarding the traffic .. there were times when the traffic was quit high
> 10 or more mail in one day and then periods when not even one appeared
> on my screen.
> 
> Marc
> --
> Marc Schimmler

I recieved the following reply by email concerning the lists:

Subject:  IRTC Mailing Lists
   Date:  Mon, 3 May 1999 15:22:20 +0200

  I don't have write access to the newsgroups, so I send this directly
to you. You may post it on the newsgroup if you want.


There are two IRTC mailing lists.

IRTC-l is a generic list. There can be a lot of traffic there (up to ten
messages a day...) Lots of info, lots of chatting.

IRTC-announce is a read-only list, used by the admins to give info about
deadlins and new topics. It is a VERY LOW TRAFFIC list (something like
two messages a... month) This one is a must.

There's in fact a third list, IRTC-admins, but as its name says, it's
admins-only.

See http://www.irtc.org/mlists.html for more info.

Hope this helps.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Il suivait son idie.
C'itait une idie fixe,                                  Adrien BEAU - 1B
et il itait surpris de ne pas avancer.                   bea### [at] esmefr

                        Jacques Privert
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  Thank you Jacques. It does help to understand the different lists and
their purpose.

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Fabien Mosen <101### [at] compuservecom> wrote in message
news:372AA149.EE6F746F@compuserve.com...
> I've been in Greenwich, AND I DIDN'T SEE THE MERIDIAN !!
> there was a plate that said it was there, but no line
> anywhere !   Big deception ;-)
>

    I've never been myself, but isn't there a plaque/plate that has the
meridian line on it ?

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Scott Hill wrote:

 
>     I've never been myself, but isn't there a plaque/plate that has the
> meridian line on it ?


 I can verify that at least from having seen a discovery channel special
on time keeping where there center of all earth time was located at.
I suppose that center is not a good choice of words as it is both the
beginning and the end of all earth time.


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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:3745CEEF.31E5A7E4@pacbell.net...
>
>
> Scott Hill wrote:
>
>
> >     I've never been myself, but isn't there a plaque/plate that has the
> > meridian line on it ?
>
>
>  I can verify that at least from having seen a discovery channel special
> on time keeping where there center of all earth time was located at.
> I suppose that center is not a good choice of words as it is both the
> beginning and the end of all earth time.
>



    No, it's the middle - think about it - earth's time zone's go from
GMT-12.00 to GMT+12.00, so GMT is at the _middle_ of the scale. Somewhere on
the opposite side of the planet (around about Eniwetok, Kwajalein, Auckland,
Wellington, Fiji, Kamchatka or the Marshal Is, according to my Win98
timezone selector) is at the beginning/end of earth time.

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Software Engineer (and all round nice guy)
Author of Pandora's Box : Watch this space.
Work homepage : http://www.cyberlife.co.uk

"We will decide what the news is. The news is what we tell you it is." - The
Fox TV network.

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Steve wrote:

> Surely when running an internet based competition it's best to go
> by GMT anyway.

	If this subject isn't completely dead it was answered on the
mailing list. The man responsible for collecting entries said to
the effect he wakes up, has coffee and then checks so see how
many late entries he can legitimately include in the competition.

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