Hi all,

As a java training, I started to write a program that takes the data 
files from the IRTC (results.txt files) parses them and generates pages 
with various ranking. As I think this could be of interest for the 
competion, I'd like to see with the admin team if we can work something 
out of it for an 'official' thing or if I might just run it as a 
separate site.

So if you could send me a mail at exe### [at] demoxandmailcom I'd give you 
the prototype address.

JC
PS: I had to post here because it seems that the mail page on the IRTC 
site isn't working.

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Woah that will be really cool!

Would it possible to have pages for individual artists? At the moment my website
has a list of all my irtc entries, but this was put together by hand, so it
would help me a lot if I could just link to automatically generated statistics
of my work! :)

-- 
Tek
www.evilsuperbrain.com

"JC (Exether)" <no### [at] spamfr> wrote in message news:4038e2df$1@news.povray.org...
> Hi all,
>
> As a java training, I started to write a program that takes the data
> files from the IRTC (results.txt files) parses them and generates pages
> with various ranking. As I think this could be of interest for the
> competion, I'd like to see with the admin team if we can work something
> out of it for an 'official' thing or if I might just run it as a
> separate site.
>
> So if you could send me a mail at exe### [at] demoxandmailcom I'd give you
> the prototype address.
>
> JC
> PS: I had to post here because it seems that the mail page on the IRTC
> site isn't working.

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Yes, there is individual pages. The problem is that some people used up 
to 5 different names. I'm currently working on something to gather synonyms.

I also want to do some kind of yearly contest like a formula 1 
championship. I hope to have something finished pretty soon, but I'd 
like to get in touch with the IRTC guys, I want to avoid any 'copyright' 
problems. But they seem to be busy guys, and difficult to reach. :-)

JC


Tek wrote:
> Woah that will be really cool!
> 
> Would it possible to have pages for individual artists? At the moment my website
> has a list of all my irtc entries, but this was put together by hand, so it
> would help me a lot if I could just link to automatically generated statistics
> of my work! :)
>

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Well, would it be possible to make it generate the pages on demand from some
sort of database query? So we could tell it to list all results that match
certain criteria?

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Tek
www.evilsuperbrain.com

"JC (Exether)" <no### [at] spamfr> wrote in message news:4039874f@news.povray.org...
> Yes, there is individual pages. The problem is that some people used up
> to 5 different names. I'm currently working on something to gather synonyms.
>
> I also want to do some kind of yearly contest like a formula 1
> championship. I hope to have something finished pretty soon, but I'd
> like to get in touch with the IRTC guys, I want to avoid any 'copyright'
> problems. But they seem to be busy guys, and difficult to reach. :-)
>
> JC
>
>
> Tek wrote:
> > Woah that will be really cool!
> >
> > Would it possible to have pages for individual artists? At the moment my
website
> > has a list of all my irtc entries, but this was put together by hand, so it
> > would help me a lot if I could just link to automatically generated
statistics
> > of my work! :)
> >

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Tek wrote:
> Well, would it be possible to make it generate the pages on demand from some
> sort of database query? So we could tell it to list all results that match
> certain criteria?

:-)
Well, I'm just training my Java skills for now, it would be possible to 
do what you say, but for now I'm more concentrating on generating static 
pages with as much information as possible. I hope it will suffice to 
satistify most people's curiosity. But depending on how things go I'll 
take all ideas into account.

For now it will provide:
- for each round the ranks by all four marks
- for each author a summary of his images with ranking
- for each year a ranking of authors based on the six rounds of the year
- ranking of authors based on all their entries

For each round I count points as follows :
20 points for first
16 for the second
12 for the third
11 for fourth
etc ..
1 for 14th

If you have ideas about things that might be missing, let me know,

JC

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JC (Exether) wrote:

> I also want to do some kind of yearly contest like a formula 1 
> championship. 
I like this idea.

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Here we go, it's ready :
http://exether.free.fr/irtc/

Don't hesitate to advertise it around, if someone could send a mail on 
the IRTC mailing list, that'd be great.
Feedback and ideas welcome,

JC

JC (Exether) wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> As a java training, I started to write a program that takes the data 
> files from the IRTC (results.txt files) parses them and generates pages 
> with various ranking. As I think this could be of interest for the 
> competion, I'd like to see with the admin team if we can work something 
> out of it for an 'official' thing or if I might just run it as a 
> separate site.
> 
> So if you could send me a mail at exe### [at] demoxandmailcom I'd give you 
> the prototype address.
> 
> JC
> PS: I had to post here because it seems that the mail page on the IRTC 
> site isn't working.

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"JC (Exether)" <no### [at] spamfr> wrote in message news:403efe63$1@news.povray.org...
> Here we go, it's ready :
> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/

Awesome!

BTW, I have another suggestion, would it be possible to add a page which lists
every entry ever in order of overall score?

I think that would be very interesting to compare the scores acheived by images
entered in different rounds, since I've often been curious as to whether an
image that came 3rd in one round might have scored higher than one that came 1st
in another round...

Anyway, I've already added a link to my website! Nice work JC!

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www.evilsuperbrain.com

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Tek wrote:

> "JC (Exether)" <no### [at] spamfr> wrote in message news:403efe63$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>>Here we go, it's ready :
>>http://exether.free.fr/irtc/
> 
> 
> Awesome!
> 
> BTW, I have another suggestion, would it be possible to add a page which lists
> every entry ever in order of overall score?
I am thinking about doing a best of, with maybe the 20 or 30 best images 
based on scores and probably other parameters. I don't think it is 
possible to rank all entries because there must be a few thousands( I 
need to do a misc stats page for that by the way).

> I think that would be very interesting to compare the scores acheived by images
> entered in different rounds, since I've often been curious as to whether an
> image that came 3rd in one round might have scored higher than one that came 1st
> in another round...
That's also interesting, I have always thought that scoring would not be 
consistant between rounds, I will probably try something like that, just 
to see.

> Anyway, I've already added a link to my website! Nice work JC!
Cool, thanks

JC

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JC (Exether) wrote:
> 
> Here we go, it's ready :
> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/

I note that the rankings sum all of the scores over the course of the
time frame.  Consequently, my 24 animation entries put me at the top of
the list for all four categories, even though I've only placed about
half of the time, and have never gotten the HM for Concept.

Regards,
John

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John VanSickle wrote:

> JC (Exether) wrote:
> 
>>Here we go, it's ready :
>>http://exether.free.fr/irtc/
> 
> 
> I note that the rankings sum all of the scores over the course of the
> time frame.  Consequently, my 24 animation entries put me at the top of
> the list for all four categories, even though I've only placed about
> half of the time,
> 
> Regards,
> John

Yes, I had to think quite a lot about this, because obvisouly you can 
imagine some one sending lots of entries and becoming first even with 
average scores. But the fact is that this is not so easy to do, in 
addition of doing a lot of entries this entrant would have to be quite 
good too to get correct scores.

The fact that you submited a lot of entries and that they were of good 
quality makes you first, this points you as the major contributor of the 
competition, I don't see why and how I would penalize you. The 
championship from start might look a bit strange, and newcomers might 
have troubles getting in but it is what it is : from start.

In the stills competition there is examples of people having sent a huge 
amount images and because they got only average score they're not first.

 >  and have never gotten the HM for Concept.
You have (Slow Motion), and you ranked once first (Adventure) and four 
times second. You have to see that awards don't add any points, only 
ranks do.

Don't be too humble you deserve you rank I think,
If you think that it is unfair, I'm listening suggestion.

JC
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JC (Exether) wrote:
> 
>  >  and have never gotten the HM for Concept.
> You have (Slow Motion),

Now I see how your rankings work; they're sort of different from the
main site.  No problem.

Regards,
John

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John VanSickle wrote:

> JC (Exether) wrote:
> 
>> >  and have never gotten the HM for Concept.
>>You have (Slow Motion),
> 
> 
> Now I see how your rankings work; they're sort of different from the
> main site.  No problem.
It seems that I need to add some more information. Thank you for 
pointing that out.

JC

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"JC (Exether)" <no### [at] spamfr> escribió en el mensaje
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> It seems that I need to add some more information. Thank you for
> pointing that out.

By the way I won a Technical merit medal in "Worlds within Worlds" round
(2/2002 Stills) not Tom Melly, who won the Artistic Merit medal (in your
site the artistic merit appears as won by Marjorie Graterol).
See you

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

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A think an overview of the statistics is a great idea, and an 
interesting challenge.  But it is not very clear to me what your site is 
telling me.  The tracking of individuals, images, and of topics all 
seems to be vying for attention.  Maybe some sort of graphs or charts 
showing the profile of the data would help with understanding the 
meaning of the display.  Or maybe just more detailed description of what 
you intend to show.  Again I think it's a great idea but needs to be 
taken a further.  The display of data in a meaningful way is not a 
trivial task.  I have a pretty good understanding of the contest and who 
the players are and I have a great deal of difficulty understanding what 
is shown there.  I would definitely hesitate to refer the page to 
someone unfamiliar with the contest.  Again, great idea, great 
potential, needs further refinement imho.  The actual scores themselves, 
as a comparative thing seem the least interesting to me.  I am more 
interested in the people.  Who are the main players, win percentage, who 
were the early leaders, who are the later ones.  What you are touching 
on is the history of the contest itself.  I think you need to address 
how the numbers show that history.

On a further note:

We have a distinct trend in fewer and fewer entrants it seems.  Yet 
these newsgroups seem to be as lively as ever.  I can't keep up with all 
the threads.  I wonder, can you analyte the data and see if there is any 
trend in the number or percentage of new participants versus returning?
Say if you pick some threshold, for an individual's degree of 
participation, does it peak and then wane?  Have regulars moved on?  Is 
this a constant process or was there a bulge?  Does the data reveal 
anything more about this trend?

-Jim

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Txemi Jendrix wrote:

> "JC (Exether)" <no### [at] spamfr> escribió en el mensaje
> news:4042e1b1$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>>It seems that I need to add some more information. Thank you for
>>pointing that out.
> 
> 
> By the way I won a Technical merit medal in "Worlds within Worlds" round
> (2/2002 Stills) not Tom Melly, who won the Artistic Merit medal (in your
> site the artistic merit appears as won by Marjorie Graterol).
> See you
> 
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com

Thanks for pointing that out, the error is due to the fact I was wrong 
in the award assignation order, it seems to be Concept award first them 
Artistic and then Technical. It looks a bit weird, and I hope they used 
the same order in every round, otherwise I'll have similar problems.
I correct it next update.

JC

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Jim Charter wrote:
> A think an overview of the statistics is a great idea, and an 
> interesting challenge.  But it is not very clear to me what your site is 
> telling me.  The tracking of individuals, images, and of topics all 
> seems to be vying for attention.  Maybe some sort of graphs or charts 
> showing the profile of the data would help with understanding the 
> meaning of the display.  Or maybe just more detailed description of what 
> you intend to show.  Again I think it's a great idea but needs to be 
> taken a further.  The display of data in a meaningful way is not a 
> trivial task.  I have a pretty good understanding of the contest and who 
> the players are and I have a great deal of difficulty understanding what 
> is shown there.  I would definitely hesitate to refer the page to 
> someone unfamiliar with the contest.  Again, great idea, great 
> potential, needs further refinement imho.
Thanks for sharing this, I think I was not aware enough of that, 
probably because I made the site so I know what everything is.
In a way the spaghetti structure of the site is on purpose, because it 
is intended to let you browse the competition at will going from 
artist's pages to theme then another artist, etc.
But obviously I have been too fast in the explanation, trying to make it
short because people usually don't bother reading too much on the net.
I need to seperate what is equivalent to what's on the IRTC site, like 
theme's and rounds, and this yearly championship that I added and that
probably messes things up.
I'll work on clearing that up when I have time,

> The actual scores themselves, 
> as a comparative thing seem the least interesting to me.  I am more 
> interested in the people.
I had other people telling me that they were interested in more scores 
statistics, my position is more intermediate, so I'll see.

> Who are the main players, win percentage, who 
> were the early leaders, who are the later ones.  What you are touching 
> on is the history of the contest itself.  I think you need to address 
> how the numbers show that history.
The championship from start page is supposed to point out who the main 
players are.

> On a further note:
> 
> We have a distinct trend in fewer and fewer entrants it seems.  Yet 
> these newsgroups seem to be as lively as ever.  I can't keep up with all 
> the threads.  I wonder, can you analyte the data and see if there is any 
> trend in the number or percentage of new participants versus returning?
> Say if you pick some threshold, for an individual's degree of 
> participation, does it peak and then wane?  Have regulars moved on?  Is 
> this a constant process or was there a bulge?  Does the data reveal 
> anything more about this trend?
Interesting idea, I could have statistics about the number of new 
entrants for each round or the average number of previous entries among 
all entrants of a round.

JC
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JC (Exether) wrote:

> Jim Charter wrote:
> 
>> A think an overview of the statistics is a great idea, and an 
>> interesting challenge.  But it is not very clear to me what your site 
>> is telling me.  The tracking of individuals, images, and of topics all 
>> seems to be vying for attention.  Maybe some sort of graphs or charts 
>> showing the profile of the data would help with understanding the 
>> meaning of the display.  Or maybe just more detailed description of 
>> what you intend to show.  Again I think it's a great idea but needs to 
>> be taken a further.  The display of data in a meaningful way is not a 
>> trivial task.  I have a pretty good understanding of the contest and 
>> who the players are and I have a great deal of difficulty 
>> understanding what is shown there.  I would definitely hesitate to 
>> refer the page to someone unfamiliar with the contest.  Again, great 
>> idea, great potential, needs further refinement imho.
> 
> Thanks for sharing this, I think I was not aware enough of that, 
> probably because I made the site so I know what everything is.
> In a way the spaghetti structure of the site is on purpose, because it 
> is intended to let you browse the competition at will going from 
> artist's pages to theme then another artist, etc.
> But obviously I have been too fast in the explanation, trying to make it
> short because people usually don't bother reading too much on the net.
> I need to seperate what is equivalent to what's on the IRTC site, like 
> theme's and rounds, and this yearly championship that I added and that
> probably messes things up.
> I'll work on clearing that up when I have time,
> 
>> The actual scores themselves, as a comparative thing seem the least 
>> interesting to me.  I am more interested in the people.
> 
> I had other people telling me that they were interested in more scores 
> statistics, my position is more intermediate, so I'll see.
> 
>> Who are the main players, win percentage, who were the early leaders, 
>> who are the later ones.  What you are touching on is the history of 
>> the contest itself.  I think you need to address how the numbers show 
>> that history.
> 
> The championship from start page is supposed to point out who the main 
> players are.
> 
>> On a further note:
>>
>> We have a distinct trend in fewer and fewer entrants it seems.  Yet 
>> these newsgroups seem to be as lively as ever.  I can't keep up with 
>> all the threads.  I wonder, can you analyte the data and see if there 
>> is any trend in the number or percentage of new participants versus 
>> returning?
>> Say if you pick some threshold, for an individual's degree of 
>> participation, does it peak and then wane?  Have regulars moved on?  
>> Is this a constant process or was there a bulge?  Does the data reveal 
>> anything more about this trend?
> 
> Interesting idea, I could have statistics about the number of new 
> entrants for each round or the average number of previous entries among 
> all entrants of a round.
> 
> JC

Really I was just trying to encourage you to push it.  I think it could 
be a showcase site, more than just an aside.  Give you more "permission" 
to indulge the idea if that's what jazzes you.  The championship points 
idea is quite brilliant I think.  I could image other spin off contests 
too.  Your site could be a place to retrospect leading participants or 
certain entries too.

It was Nathan's entry for "School" that first galvanized my interest in POV.

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|
| We have a distinct trend in fewer and fewer entrants it seems.  Yet
| these newsgroups seem to be as lively as ever.  I can't keep up with
| all the threads.  I wonder, can you analyte the data and see if there
| is any trend in the number or percentage of new participants versus
| returning? Say if you pick some threshold, for an individual's degree
| of participation, does it peak and then wane?  Have regulars moved on?
| Is this a constant process or was there a bulge?  Does the data reveal
| anything more about this trend?
|

The statistic in which I would be interested, although I doubt the
discovery of it could be automated, would be the percentage of entries
per round made with commercial software. This seems to be less a free
software competition and more an amateur commercial software competition
every round. This is just a feeling. I haven't taken the time to
actually count.

 -Shay

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Shay wrote:
> "Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote in message
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> |
> | We have a distinct trend in fewer and fewer entrants it seems.  Yet
> | these newsgroups seem to be as lively as ever.  I can't keep up with
> | all the threads.  I wonder, can you analyte the data and see if there
> | is any trend in the number or percentage of new participants versus
> | returning? Say if you pick some threshold, for an individual's degree
> | of participation, does it peak and then wane?  Have regulars moved on?
> | Is this a constant process or was there a bulge?  Does the data reveal
> | anything more about this trend?
> |
> 
> The statistic in which I would be interested, although I doubt the
> discovery of it could be automated, would be the percentage of entries
> per round made with commercial software. This seems to be less a free
> software competition and more an amateur commercial software competition
> every round. This is just a feeling. I haven't taken the time to
> actually count.

I thought about this, but as you say it is not possible to automate 
(parsing just the basic stuff was tough enough :-).

JC

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Txemi Jendrix wrote:

> "JC (Exether)" <no### [at] spamfr> escribió en el mensaje
> news:4042e1b1$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>>It seems that I need to add some more information. Thank you for
>>pointing that out.
> 
> 
> By the way I won a Technical merit medal in "Worlds within Worlds" round
> (2/2002 Stills) not Tom Melly, who won the Artistic Merit medal (in your
> site the artistic merit appears as won by Marjorie Graterol).
> See you
> 
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com

Actually after checking more carefully there seem to be other problems 
of the same type, and after some analysis it seems that the mention 
awards are computed by hand rather than with algorithm. Or maybe the 
rule changed. So I think I'll have to go and get the awards directly on 
the site rather than recomputing them.

Hopefully things will stabilise soon, :-)

JC

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Txemi Jendrix wrote:
> "JC (Exether)" <no### [at] spamfr> escribió en el mensaje
> news:4042e1b1$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>>It seems that I need to add some more information. Thank you for
>>pointing that out.
> 
> 
> By the way I won a Technical merit medal in "Worlds within Worlds" round
> (2/2002 Stills) not Tom Melly, who won the Artistic Merit medal (in your
> site the artistic merit appears as won by Marjorie Graterol).
> See you
> 
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com

I corrected the problem, the awards are now taken directly from the IRTC 
site, so they should be correct.

JC

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