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On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:45:55 +0100, Spider <spi### [at] bahnhof se> wrote:
>A question here.
>Cincerning a song-lyric, where to go to get contact concearning the use of the text
??
>
>I had the whole theme built around this, including the text exisitng in plain view,
all
>this for an IRTC entry(imaginary worlds).
>Now, my problem is, I can't get a contact with the people owning the copyright.
>
>Since the text is not included with the record(Mine is a bootleg.) and there is no
contact
>information for either band or producer. Anyone has an idea of how to act ??
You could try finding someone who has the appropriate literature, or you
could try contacting ASCAP and/or BMI, who should be able to direct you
to the right place. Last time I looked, neither was well-represented on
the Web, so this might necessitate a few international calls to the USA.
I did this once in a previous life and never did find the right place,
but that might have been merely a case of insufficient persistence on
my part coupled with a song for which nobody seems to know who is the
copyright owner (Old McDonald's Farm).
With the whole brouhaha over lyrics.ch, you'll want to tread very, very
carefully around anything having to do with lyrics...
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> You could try finding someone who has the appropriate literature, or you
> could try contacting ASCAP and/or BMI, who should be able to direct you
> to the right place. Last time I looked, neither was well-represented on
> the Web, so this might necessitate a few international calls to the USA.
Thankyou, I'll give it a shot... but then, long distance is notr easy for me }:-\
> I did this once in a previous life and never did find the right place,
> but that might have been merely a case of insufficient persistence on
> my part coupled with a song for which nobody seems to know who is the
> copyright owner (Old McDonald's Farm).
Oki, i'm more after Sisters Of Mercy's song "Under the gun" As I said, I don't have
any
reference on the CD...
> With the whole brouhaha over lyrics.ch, you'll want to tread very, very
> carefully around anything having to do with lyrics...
Yes, I thought of this to... That's the reason I ask now...
//Spider
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Spider wrote:
>
> A question here.
> Cincerning a song-lyric, where to go to get contact concearning the use of the text
??
>
> I had the whole theme built around this, including the text exisitng in plain view,
all
> this for an IRTC entry(imaginary worlds).
> Now, my problem is, I can't get a contact with the people owning the copyright.
>
> Since the text is not included with the record(Mine is a bootleg.) and there is no
contact
> information for either band or producer. Anyone has an idea of how to act ??
If you want to play it safe, drop this idea entirely. The author Spider (!)
Robinson once wanted to quote a few lines from a song in one of his novels and
the relevant legal types wanted reimbursement measured in *thousands* of US
dollars! Fortunately for Robinson, the musician himself was angry with his
agent/publishers/whatever (I forget the details) and granted Robinson permission
essentially to spite them. I wouldn't count on that kind of luck.
Jerry Anning
cle### [at] dholcom
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On 27 Jan 1999 14:21:01 -0500, Ron Parker <par### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote:
>2) Assuming it is legal to do this in the art world,
> is it legal in IRTC?
Heh. I should have reread the IRTC stills rules before I asked:
3-d. You may use objects and textures downloaded from the internet or
purchased commercially, but it is not encouraged. Similarly you
may use other people's images as image-maps or textures within
your own work. In all cases, you must get permission from the
creator of the object or image. If you use such objects or images,
you must make this known with proper acknowledgments in the text
file accompanying your submission. You may not violate copyrights
of any sort.
Since it is an IRTC requirement that I get permission whether or not
copyright law would allow the usage, I guess I'll stick with the can
of POV Soup.
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Thankyou for the information..
Unfortunately for me, *sigh* Ive spent so much work on this beloved picture, that I
have
no idea on what to do *laugh*
Well, the Idea may remain, but I'll have to crap some of the connection to my
artistics
*SHIT* (Sorry about the language...)
Well, ok.... take it calm Spider ;-)
Ah, well... Can make a note on it in my .txt at least..
//Spider
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On MTV's Real World, when they show kids wearing the latest styles, they do a
post-production a pixel blur over the logos of sports teams and brand names on
clothing. Do they do it to avoid copyright infringement or to punish the companies
who won't pay advertising space--who knows? But this use of trademarked logos is
about as incidental as you can get.
Jerry Anning wrote:
> A photo e.g. of a city street where some stores have ads in the window is
> generally ok. "Incidental uses" like that are normally not considered
> infringing.
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Jerry Anning wrote:
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> My bottom line suggestion is: avoid "fan art" - no Enterprises, Batmen, Tie
> fighters, Mickey Mice etc. Don't make a specific trademark or trademarked
> character the focus of your image. And if you do have a trademarked item in the
> image, for safety's sake don't do anything that could be interpreted as
> disparaging it.
I was planning to do a scene from a novel for "Imaginary Worlds". If all
of the artwork is original, but the concept for the scene comes from
copyrighted material, what kind of laws apply?
This would NOT be a copy of an existing illustration (well, not one that I
have ever seen).
-Nathan
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Nathan Kopp wrote:
>
> Jerry Anning wrote:
> >
> > My bottom line suggestion is: avoid "fan art" - no Enterprises, Batmen, Tie
> > fighters, Mickey Mice etc. Don't make a specific trademark or trademarked
> > character the focus of your image. And if you do have a trademarked item in the
> > image, for safety's sake don't do anything that could be interpreted as
> > disparaging it.
>
> I was planning to do a scene from a novel for "Imaginary Worlds". If all
> of the artwork is original, but the concept for the scene comes from
> copyrighted material, what kind of laws apply?
>
> This would NOT be a copy of an existing illustration (well, not one that I
> have ever seen).
>
> -Nathan
I see no conflict of interest in this. If as you say your material
is original there is no one who can contest it's ownership despite
what the inspiration is.
Here is a thought -
When I read a novel I try to mentaly picture what the author sets
up for the atmosphere for whatever part of the story I'm reading.
What I picture, in my mind, as the setting is different from what
the author pictured when he/she wrote it and it will also be
different for you. Therefore I argue that there really is nothing
that you can steal from the book because it would be stealing from
yourself.
--
Ken Tyler
tyl### [at] pacbellnet
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Ken wrote:
>
> Nathan Kopp wrote:
> >
> > Jerry Anning wrote:
> > >
> > > My bottom line suggestion is: avoid "fan art" - no Enterprises, Batmen, Tie
> > > fighters, Mickey Mice etc. Don't make a specific trademark or trademarked
> > > character the focus of your image. And if you do have a trademarked item in the
> > > image, for safety's sake don't do anything that could be interpreted as
> > > disparaging it.
> >
> > I was planning to do a scene from a novel for "Imaginary Worlds". If all
> > of the artwork is original, but the concept for the scene comes from
> > copyrighted material, what kind of laws apply?
> >
> > This would NOT be a copy of an existing illustration (well, not one that I
> > have ever seen).
> >
> > -Nathan
>
> I see no conflict of interest in this. If as you say your material
> is original there is no one who can contest it's ownership despite
> what the inspiration is.
Sorry Ken, Nathan. That *is* considered a copyright infringement. If you
create an image of, say, Callandor in the Stone of Tear (nudge, nudge), even
though you create the image yourself as you imagine it, you are infringing the
author's copyright. Incidentally, most of what I have been saying is not just
US based, but a matter of nearly universal international law (the Treaty of
Berne).
Jerry Anning
cle### [at] dholcom
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Jerry Anning wrote:
>
> Sorry Ken, Nathan. That *is* considered a copyright infringement. If you
> create an image of, say, Callandor in the Stone of Tear (nudge, nudge), even
> though you create the image yourself as you imagine it, you are infringing the
> author's copyright. Incidentally, most of what I have been saying is not just
> US based, but a matter of nearly universal international law (the Treaty of
> Berne).
>
> Jerry Anning
> cle### [at] dholcom
If Nathan wouldn't give this image a name connected with the book and if
he wouldn't mention it in the txt-file would there be room for a law
suit?
Is the similarity with an existing book enough to justify a law suit?
This would prohibit a lot of pictures. Showing a strong barbarian hero
in my rendering, would this allow the owner of the Conan copyrights to
sue me?
If I remember my patent and copyright course there is some room left for
creativity.
It's a term hard to grab but I think it is connected with the
originality of the idea.
Well, this is a minefield.
Marc
--
Marc Schimmler
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