Am 05.03.2011 14:26, schrieb Fabien:
> Whoever (anonymous, so far) wrote the current www.irtc.org homepage,
> related or not to the current POV-Ray Team, is adopting the same
> irritating attitude that I describe (mainly : the piping is broken,
> we won't call a plumber, and we keep the keys of the house).
> And I'm linking both because I've seen the same attitude in POV-Ray
You're writing to someone who is actively involved in this "POV-Ray
making", and I will *not* let your statemend stand unchallenged.
I started using POV-Ray in September 2008 (after having toyed around
with it some decade earlier). Back then, I only had a single-core
machine, and 3.6 and MegaPOV were fine for my purposes. Some 2 months
later though, I bought a quad-core system to set aside just for
rendering - initially with the intention of running multiple instances
of MegaPOV in parallel - and found that POV-Ray 3.7 would promise more
speed than 3.6, if only it would run radiosity on multiple cores. It
didn't, and the few development status reports that trickled in
indicated that development was stalling, and radiosity was still way
down on the dev team's priority list.
So in december, I wrote this newsgroup post in povray.beta-test:
To make a long story short: I was involved in the making of POV-Ray in
no time flat, and got free hand in designing a way to make radiosity
work with SMP (even including some architectural change to the rest of
the code) and rid it of several design uglies. Since then, I went on to
implement subsurface scattering (an idea that Chris Cason came up with),
implemented a bunch of smaller features that I wanted to see in POV-Ray,
gave gamma issues a thorough addressing because /I/ felt it important,
and - of that I do take particular pride, and will not suffer having you
slander those efforts - addressed virtually any reported bug that I felt
capable of addressing.
From what I have experienced since I first volunteered to get my hands
dirty, there is no secrecy about POV-Ray; no closed circle of ivory
tower developers; there is no resentment to accept help - to the
contrary. There is just too much to do to waste time and energy on
begging for help, because experience is that the resonance to such
requests is pretty scant. So instead of suffering the frustration to be
expected (or maybe even start whining and complaining, like /certain/
people do prefer instead of being constructive), the people involved
just continue being as productive as they possibly can, and as their
day-time jobs & families allow.
If you'd ask Le Forgeron, I'm pretty sure he'd have a similar story to
tell. He, too, recently decided to get his hands dirty and become involved.
> The message on the homepage says it's a "software problem", nothing
> to do with closing voluntarily, whatever the reason ! And, in your
> hypothesis, there's a solution : HAND THE KEYS.
Yes. But the productive first step on your behalf should have been to
*ask* for the keys yourself, instead of ranting that the keys hadn't
been handed to anyone else. To whom, I ask you, should they have been
given? Who stepped forward and volunteered to continue that business?
As for being a software problem vs. closing voluntarily, the one doesn't
exclude the other: It probably is a software problem so severe that the
maintainer of the site sees himself unable to fix it given his limited
time & energy.
(Another note here: the current maintainer stepped up after a long
desperate search for someone to revive the IRTC; there was no reason for
him to assume that there would be anyone around just waiting to lend a
hand or even take over the business)
> At some point, a single person wrote that "broken, don't care" homepage.
> It's that person I'm yelling at, asking that something is done, or
> handled to other volunteers !
Still you're also ranting about "POV-Ray" in general, and about the
"attitude in POV-Ray making". It is *that* which I will not suffer.
And, to re-iterate: Instead of just building up steam and then
exploding, you should have addressed that person with a suggestion to
Now, with that attitude of yours, I wonder whether that person would
still be willing to hand the keys to /you/ - or if he did, whether any
of his "customers" would be willing to deal with you. You managed to
offend the current IRTC "owner", his "customers", the people providing
the market infrastructure, and virtually anyone on the marketplace, in
just a single posting. Bravo.
I guess it would be prudent for you to step down from your box at
speakers' corner, and mumble a humble "sorry" to the offended crowd,
before they stone you to death with ripe tomatoes and rotten eggs (be
warned - that's a very long, humiliating way of dying). But that choice
is up to you.
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