... how's tracing?

Anyone working on the interim "Space Settelement" animation topic?

Will it be added to http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/3dextra/ ?

So many questions... :)

-Markus
(lagging behind my schedule due to a nasty cold... argh!)

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"Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] panoramasde> wrote in message 
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> ... how's tracing?

  PDG at the moment... I think, (I hope!!)   ;)


>
> Anyone working on the interim "Space Settelement" animation topic?

    "Not I" said the fly... but I'm sure a few others are, well, I hope they 
are... <shrug>


>
> Will it be added to http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/3dextra/ ?

    Of course.  :)


>
> So many questions... :)

  Questions, questions, questions... Where would we be without questions?! 
;)

      ~Steve~

>
> -Markus
> (lagging behind my schedule due to a nasty cold... argh!)

    <sniff-shoo!>

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Markus Altendorff wrote:
> ... how's tracing?
> 
> Anyone working on the interim "Space Settelement" animation topic?

I've decided that I'm not going to do any animations until there is a 
definite word on whether the IRTC is coming back or not.  At that time 
I'll decide when and where I'll be resuming animations.

Regards,
John

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For various reasons, I'm ready to get back in the saddle. (One personal
commitment eased up, computer problems solved, day-job animation project
complete.)

But I'm not doing anything for this round.

Note: if you are using my povray file. per se,  for selecting topics, make
sure that you enter in a pre-seed number of the exact specified number of
digits (you can choose one anyway you like).

I personally think LOOONNG contest rounds may discourage some who may fear
looking bad in comparison to someone who has the time to put in a full 4.0
months of evenings into a project.  I am sad the 10second club went under.
They were able to generate tons of quality entries with a one-month cycle. 
I wouldda moved us to 2. 


Markus Altendorff wrote:

> ... how's tracing?
> Anyone working on the interim "Space Settelement" animation topic?
>

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"Greg M. Johnson" <pte### [at] thecommononethatstartswithYcom> wrote in
message news:46315014@news.povray.org...
> For various reasons, I'm ready to get back in the saddle. (One personal
> commitment eased up, computer problems solved, day-job animation project
> complete.)
>
> But I'm not doing anything for this round.
>
> Note: if you are using my povray file. per se,  for selecting topics, make
> sure that you enter in a pre-seed number of the exact specified number of
> digits (you can choose one anyway you like).
>
> I personally think LOOONNG contest rounds may discourage some who may fear
> looking bad in comparison to someone who has the time to put in a full 4.0
> months of evenings into a project.  I am sad the 10second club went under.
> They were able to generate tons of quality entries with a one-month cycle.
> I wouldda moved us to 2.
>
>
> Markus Altendorff wrote:
>
> > ... how's tracing?
> > Anyone working on the interim "Space Settelement" animation topic?
> >
>

Sorry - Markus I  let this one slip bye...........and I helped picked the
topic.
Things got crazy busy for me. But I am starting to work on the next topic.
I Think it is "The Black Robe" ?????????
Darin

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"dbott" <dbo### [at] eastsoundsuitescom> wrote in message 
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> Things got crazy busy for me. But I am starting to work on the next topic.
> I Think it is "The Black Robe" ?????????

      Yes, it's "The Black Robe" for both Stills and Animations. Stills is 
from May to end of June, and Animations is May to to end of August. Two and 
four months repectively. So, keep at it Darin!   :o)

        ~Steve~




> Darin

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"Greg M. Johnson" <pte### [at] thecommononethatstartswithYcom> wrote in 
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> I personally think LOOONNG contest rounds may discourage some who may fear
> looking bad in comparison to someone who has the time to put in a full 4.0
> months of evenings into a project.

        I disagree with that Greg. We all know how hard it is to even 
complete a still image, let alone an animation. I think when new people see 
the quality that will be involved, they will be glad of the 4 months to at 
least get something done. That's the challenge.


> I wouldda moved us to 2.

   I understand Markus' earlier point about this in another thread. Two 
months is just too short to produce quality, and quality is definately 
what's needed to get those newbies interested. I think they'll be glad to 
have four months.

    And anyway, who's to say that there won't be a 'one week' or 'one month' 
animation challenge too?  ;)

        ~Steve~



>
>
> Markus Altendorff wrote:
>
>> ... how's tracing?
>> Anyone working on the interim "Space Settelement" animation topic?
>>
>

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"John VanSickle" <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
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> Markus Altendorff wrote:
>> ... how's tracing?
>>
>> Anyone working on the interim "Space Settelement" animation topic?
>
> I've decided that I'm not going to do any animations until there is a 
> definite word on whether the IRTC is coming back or not.  At that time 
> I'll decide when and where I'll be resuming animations.

        The thing is John, you'll be an old man by the time the folks at the 
IRTC decide to say ANYTHING at all. Personally, even if the IRTC came back 
with a new website, new comps, whatever, I wouldn't entertain them. I think 
it's really bad form to have done what they've done without doing anything, 
saying anything, to ANYONE that's involved. It was just really bad 
etiquette, (or, netiquette, if you like).

      I would start on "The Black Robe" if I were you John - I was always 
intrigued by what you might come up with for this round.


         ~Steve~



>
> Regards,
> John

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>> Markus Altendorff wrote:
>>> ... how's tracing?
>>>
>>> Anyone working on the interim "Space Settelement" animation topic?

Wow, with the overwhelmingly "positive" response to that question ... i 
can almost see the tumbleweeds rolling by and hear the broken window 
panes of the IRTC animation community in the distance, rattling in the 
desert wind ;)

Now do i want to publicly embarrass myself by hurrying to finish my 
video, just to find out it's the only entry? :(

I mean, i enjoy making 3-D animations, and now the tools that work well 
with my workflow seem to be available to me. Yeah, nice. Great. But 
what's even more fun is *talking* (resp. writing) about the results and 
the whole feedback stuff. Now 3D isn't quite the mass market (yes, 
YouTube, i'm looking accusingly into your direction...), and i'm not 
something like a real "artist", that's why i've always enjoyed this 
"peer group" talk with other people that already know what doing 3-D 
amateur projects is like here. "You don't have to be any good" (quote 
from the IRTC rulebook) - that's not something you'll find on the front 
page of any other contest/gallery website...
I mean, c'mon. Talking about e.g. "surface normals" isn't quite part of 
the common vocabulary. Most people i know in "real life" tend to 
interpret that as a reference to people who are "secretly nuts" - and 
who am i to blame them ;)
This is why the whole IRTC affair... it just hurts to see it in this 
state of decay.

 > "John VanSickle" <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
 > news:463134a4@news.povray.org...

>> I've decided that I'm not going to do any animations until there is a 
>> definite word on whether the IRTC is coming back or not.  At that time 
>> I'll decide when and where I'll be resuming animations.

Sorry to hear that. I'm missing Rusty already. Watching the re-runs just 
isn't the same...

St. wrote:

>         The thing is John, you'll be an old man by the time the folks at the 
> IRTC decide to say ANYTHING at all. Personally, even if the IRTC came back 
> with a new website, new comps, whatever, I wouldn't entertain them. I think 
> it's really bad form to have done what they've done without doing anything, 
> saying anything, to ANYONE that's involved. It was just really bad 
> etiquette, (or, netiquette, if you like).

It sure feels like this, but i'm not certain it was *meant* like that. 
 From what i've gathered over time, the voluntary "staff" of the IRTC is 
really, really small (at some point in time, there were 3 at most? It 
started in its first incarnation as a one-man-show, IIRC), and now with 
the admin gone for unknown reasons...

(i blushingly recall always being under the impression of the IRTC being 
physically locate in Australia, which is why i half-jokingly speculated 
about a surfer accident or posion spiders back in december - until i 
recently learned it's in the U.S.A - Ooops. )
I've seen artist's websites (i'm also into webcomics... can't seem to 
keep away from anything that a) requires computers, b) comes with flashy 
graphics and c) wastes my time ;) with notes like "sorry, i'm in the 
military and i'm heading off to Bagdad in a week. Won't have internet 
for the next year." Now that's a scary thought... and in that case, i'm 
pretty sure nominating a replacement admin would be waaay down on my list.

>       I would start on "The Black Robe" if I were you John - I was always 
> intrigued by what you might come up with for this round.

Will there be more participants this time...?

Yoohoo...?

*sigh*

-Markus
(slightly depressed)

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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:46317c69$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "Greg M. Johnson" <pte### [at] thecommononethatstartswithYcom> wrote in
> message news:46315014@news.povray.org...
>
> > I personally think LOOONNG contest rounds may discourage some who may
fear
> > looking bad in comparison to someone who has the time to put in a full
4.0
> > months of evenings into a project.
>
>         I disagree with that Greg. We all know how hard it is to even
> complete a still image, let alone an animation. I think when new people
see
> the quality that will be involved, they will be glad of the 4 months to at
> least get something done. That's the challenge.
>
>
> > I wouldda moved us to 2.
>
>    I understand Markus' earlier point about this in another thread. Two
> months is just too short to produce quality, and quality is definately
> what's needed to get those newbies interested. I think they'll be glad to
> have four months.
>
>     And anyway, who's to say that there won't be a 'one week' or 'one
month'
> animation challenge too?  ;)
>
>         ~Steve~

Yes --- 4 months is perfect, especially for people that work 1 or 2 hours a
night
on them. And again, sorry Markus, I lost steam.....Working on coo-coo for 2
months <my first entry to irtc> only to find out I submitted to a closed web
site.
Very frustrating..............Steve, I am working on the Black Robe. It will
be nice
to see the web page -----  I am looking forward to participating in
something active.

Darin

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"Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] panoramasde> wrote in message 
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> St. wrote:
>
>>         The thing is John, you'll be an old man by the time the folks at 
>> the IRTC decide to say ANYTHING at all. Personally, even if the IRTC came 
>> back with a new website, new comps, whatever, I wouldn't entertain them. 
>> I think it's really bad form to have done what they've done without doing 
>> anything, saying anything, to ANYONE that's involved. It was just really 
>> bad etiquette, (or, netiquette, if you like).
>
> It sure feels like this, but i'm not certain it was *meant* like that.

    I'm not too sure about that. What if they planned it this way so they 
didn't have to burden themselves with it any more, I mean, whoever was in 
charge, was in charge for a very long time - I can see that they got bored 
with it, I can see that they didn't want this burden any more, and I can see 
that they may have had problems passing the buck to someone other than that 
young lad who lives in a field all alone with no electricity or broadband 
cables around him. Damn, no cellphone too. Not even paper and pen, toboot. 
Fairplay to him though, at least he tried once.

  If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to hold my hand up. (I hope I am wrong).



> Will there be more participants this time...?

      I certainly hope so. And even if yours is the only one, you won't be 
disappointing me.  :o)

>
> Yoohoo...?
>
> *sigh*

     Hey, "It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings!"   ;)

      ~Steve~


>
> -Markus
> (slightly depressed)

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Markus Altendorff <maa### [at] panoramasde> wrote:
> Now 3D isn't quite the mass market (yes,
> YouTube, i'm looking accusingly into your direction...), and i'm not
> something like a real "artist"...

*snip*

Art is subjective.  I would submit your average YouTube video of some skate
punk racking himself doing a rail slide doesn't constitute "art", but
beauty is in the eye of the beholder :)
--
Dan
GoofyGraffix.com

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St. wrote:
> "John VanSickle" <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
> news:463134a4@news.povray.org...
> 
>>Markus Altendorff wrote:
>>
>>>... how's tracing?
>>>
>>>Anyone working on the interim "Space Settelement" animation topic?
>>
>>I've decided that I'm not going to do any animations until there is a 
>>definite word on whether the IRTC is coming back or not.  At that time 
>>I'll decide when and where I'll be resuming animations.
> 
> 
>         The thing is John, you'll be an old man by the time the folks at the 
> IRTC decide to say ANYTHING at all. Personally, even if the IRTC came back 
> with a new website, new comps, whatever, I wouldn't entertain them. I think 
> it's really bad form to have done what they've done without doing anything, 
> saying anything, to ANYONE that's involved. It was just really bad 
> etiquette, (or, netiquette, if you like).
> 
>       I would start on "The Black Robe" if I were you John - I was always 
> intrigued by what you might come up with for this round.

I would, except that the "topic" would be more of an "alleged topic" for 
anything I did.

At the moment, when I'm not playing Diablo II, I'm slowly whipping up 
some macros to do Catmull-Clark surface subdivision, so that the next 
version of my modeler will be useful.

Regards,
John

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St. wrote:
> "Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] panoramasde> wrote in message 
> news:4631cc60@news.povray.org...
>>
>> Will there be more participants this time...?
> 
> I certainly hope so. And even if yours is the only one, you won't be 
> disappointing me.  :o)

Right, let's talk about low expectations ;)

I had some trouble getting the data through to Steve by mail 
(we resorted to trying a download after that failed), but it 
should be up and available at TINA-CheP soon.

For the curious that aren't afraid of "MPEG compression 
rash", it's currently stored at:
http://www.asamnet.de/~altendom/irtcstuff/maal_req.mpg
(9.5 MB)

For the size-doesnt-matter folk, there's also a larger and 
cleaner version at
http://www.asamnet.de/~altendom/irtcstuff/maal_req.480x240.mp4
(23.8 MB)

Comments always welcome...
(and yes, i realize i'm the cinema4d-black-sheep in a POVray 
newsgroup, thankyouverymuch ;)

-Markus

P.S.: Who in this newsgroup is really, really, honestly, 
seriously going to build something for "The black robe" 
animation topic?

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On Tue, 01 May 2007 16:24:32 +0200, Markus Altendorff
<maa### [at] anthrosphinxde> wrote:

>
>Comments always welcome...
>(and yes, i realize i'm the cinema4d-black-sheep in a POVray 
>newsgroup, thankyouverymuch ;)

I downloaded the big file. Impressive and sad.

>
>P.S.: Who in this newsgroup is really, really, honestly, 
>seriously going to build something for "The black robe" 
>animation topic?

Not me I'm afraid.

Regards
	Stephen

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> P.S.: Who in this newsgroup is really, really, honestly,
> seriously going to build something for "The black robe"
> animation topic?

Markus --
I have started and will submit an animation for the new round.
Once again, sorry I let you down on the "Space Settlement....

Hey, I am acting like the old irtc>>>>One minute I am there, and
the next minute I am gone.......

"The Black Robe" -------->Wilkie Collins-------->Lewis Romanyne
Working on it
Darin

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"Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] anthrosphinxde> wrote in message
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> (and yes, i realize i'm the cinema4d-black-sheep in a POVray newsgroup, 
> thankyouverymuch ;)

    My friend, you are more than welcome around here.



> P.S.: Who in this newsgroup is really, really, honestly, seriously going 
> to build something for "The black robe" animation topic?

    Don't forget that it's an 'interpretation' of the title. "The Black
Robe" could be the name of a starfleet battle cruiser, a public house, a
euphemism for a disease, the name of a race horse, the name of a secret
sect, a wizards' special clothing, etc. What you do with it is down to you.
Personally, I really like it, and I'm thinking of entering the Animations*
as well as the Stills too.

    *Animations will DEFINATELY be included on our new website, so get your
thinking cap on. It will be ready for approximately the middle of July to
upload your file, (>12MB cap). Look out for an update on this in the coming
months.  :)

      ~Steve~

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>     *Animations will DEFINATELY be included on our new website, so get
your
> thinking cap on. It will be ready for approximately the middle of July to
> upload your file, (>12MB cap). Look out for an update on this in the
coming
> months.  :)
>
>       ~Steve~


I was unaware we were given an extra 2MB ---- It's Great ---- 
Thank you,
Darin   (I find so much joy in the little things)

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St. wrote:

>     *Animations will DEFINATELY be included on our new website, so get your
> thinking cap on. It will be ready for approximately the middle of July to
> upload your file, (>12MB cap). Look out for an update on this in the coming
> months.  :)

Um, do you mean to say that animations must be a *minimum* of 12 megabytes?

Regards,
John
(who thinks that it was a typo.)

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John VanSickle wrote:
> St. wrote:
> 
>>     *Animations will DEFINATELY be included on our new website, so get 
>> your
>> thinking cap on. It will be ready for approximately the middle of July to
>> upload your file, (>12MB cap). Look out for an update on this in the 
>> coming
>> months.  :)
> 
> Um, do you mean to say that animations must be a *minimum* of 12 megabytes?

Hey, that's easy to do! Just increase the bitrate of the 
compressor :)

No, my guess would be it's the upload file size limit of the 
web server's script engine, since it was mentioned earlier 
the new website's going to be heavily automated. Not 
necessarily connected to the file size limit as declared in 
the IRTC rules.

I wouldn't complain about a 20% file size increase, either :)

-Markus

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Markus Altendorff wrote:
> John VanSickle wrote:
> 
>> St. wrote:
>>
>>>     *Animations will DEFINATELY be included on our new website, so 
>>> get your
>>> thinking cap on. It will be ready for approximately the middle of 
>>> July to
>>> upload your file, (>12MB cap). Look out for an update on this in the 
>>> coming
>>> months.  :)
>>
>>
>> Um, do you mean to say that animations must be a *minimum* of 12 
>> megabytes?
> 
> 
> Hey, that's easy to do! Just increase the bitrate of the compressor :)
> 
> No, my guess would be it's the upload file size limit of the web 
> server's script engine, since it was mentioned earlier the new website's 
> going to be heavily automated. Not necessarily connected to the file 
> size limit as declared in the IRTC rules.
> 
> I wouldn't complain about a 20% file size increase, either :)

It probably wouldn't affect me, unless the 12M limit was a lower limit; 
I've never had to cut to reduce the size of my .mpg files.

Regards,
JOhn

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"John VanSickle" <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
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> St. wrote:

>> upload your file, (>12MB cap).

> Um, do you mean to say that animations must be a *minimum* of 12 
> megabytes?

     No, no, sorry, I meant an upper cap of 12 Mb's. Seeing as how the 
Stills get an extra 100kb's, then I thought anims should get a little extra 
too.

      ~Steve~


>
> Regards,
> John
> (who thinks that it was a typo.)

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"Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] anthrosphinxde> wrote in message 
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> I wouldn't complain about a 20% file size increase, either :)

    Well, that's what it is...  A file size increase.   :o)

     ~Steve~



>
> -Markus

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