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Anyone else have a bad case of nerves???
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H.E. Day
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H.E. Day wrote:
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> Anyone else have a bad case of nerves???
Only on account of the Concept scoring. That's the one place where
some artists have received undeservedly high scores, and others received
undeservedly low scores. This has affected the ranking in more than
one round.
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You talking about me? ;)
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H.E. Day
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> Anyone else have a bad case of nerves???
Not really, but then I'm not in this round. :-)
-Mike
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H.E. Day <hed### [at] fci net> wrote:
: Anyone else have a bad case of nerves???
Not really.
When I saw the topic I thought "hey, this is an easy one; I have chances
here". Too bad that everyone else seems to have thought the same think.
Too many good animations there to expect me to get any high score.
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<haven't seen results yet>
My first thoughts upon seeing the list of entries was, "Oh, what joy at the
quality of original work--the perfect topic." I was literally choked up ;).
But then as I waded through the list, there appeared to be too many which
screamed as having been regurgitated old material. I wonder if we came down
too hard on that Stills image penalized for being pre-existing when that's
really what the majority of us are doing. . . JvS's animation was a great
story, looking perfectly realistic, (and I ranked it #2 in my scoring), but it
too was a re-creation of material on his hard drive to a large extent. I too,
made modifications to two pre-existing characters to make 2 humans and a
robot, and threw a sloppy set around it . . .
I once made a comment in half-jest that we should have eclectic topics like
"JFK." Someone complained that it would be too hard for many people to do.
In retrospect, the benefit is that it would be too hard to take pre-existing
material and pass it off as being applicable to a topic like "JFK". Every
entry probably would have to be done from scratch to make it even relevant.
Wouldn't that be a great contest, where every JFK face was something the
person had to complete in the past two months?
Hash has a contest with better topics: I think one was "Partners in Crime."
Nieminen Juha wrote:
> H.E. Day <hed### [at] fcinet> wrote:
> : Anyone else have a bad case of nerves???
>
> Not really.
> When I saw the topic I thought "hey, this is an easy one; I have chances
> here". Too bad that everyone else seems to have thought the same think.
> Too many good animations there to expect me to get any high score.
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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
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> <haven't seen results yet>
>
> My first thoughts upon seeing the list of entries was, "Oh, what joy at the
> quality of original work--the perfect topic." I was literally choked up ;).
> But then as I waded through the list, there appeared to be too many which
> screamed as having been regurgitated old material. I wonder if we came down
> too hard on that Stills image penalized for being pre-existing when that's
> really what the majority of us are doing. . . JvS's animation was a great
> story, looking perfectly realistic, (and I ranked it #2 in my scoring), but it
> too was a re-creation of material on his hard drive to a large extent. I too,
> made modifications to two pre-existing characters to make 2 humans and a
> robot, and threw a sloppy set around it . . .
I think there is definite difference between entering an image that
you created a year ago and regurgitating older material into something
new. Is it cheating to use a chrome texture from metals.inc in each
of your entries ? What is the difference ?
As long as the outcome of your efforts is unique from entry to entry
you really have no unfair advantage - given that you comply with the
the rule that it is created within the contests time period.
John would be terribly put out if he had to abandon his Rusty character
because had used it in a previous round. That fact that he can come
up with original animations using some of the same material says a lot
about his creativity.
--
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On the one hand, I did rate John's entry highly and said there was a lot of
originality to his story line: there were "Other" entries that were bugging me much
more, such as "Creaturez". Somehow, I'm more forgiving of Rusty reappearing in
animations than I am someone's current 3DS professional project getting tweaked and
thrown at the IRTC.
On the other hand, YES, it would be nice to have a category that by default makes it
near impossible to apply the character of Rusty to it.
Ken wrote:
> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > <haven't seen results yet>
>
> As long as the outcome of your efforts is unique from entry to entry
> you really have no unfair advantage - given that you comply with the
> the rule that it is created within the contests time period.
>
> John would be terribly put out if he had to abandon his Rusty character
> because had used it in a previous round. That fact that he can come
> up with original animations using some of the same material says a lot
> about his creativity.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler - 1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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Restating the problem, I would love to see Rusty and Boxer in a video entitled
"Partners in Crime."
I think that one-word, vague topics leave open the door to turning the IRTC into a
portfolio shop for pre-existing 3DS professional projects. The 3DS professional who
has pre-existing models and sets but comes up with a totally new story line, for a
more eclectic topic, however, would delight me just as well.
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Hi Greg!
Didn't you know that actually it was Rusty that killed "JFK" <g>?
Useless to think of a topic that Rusty can't fit.
Karl
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Yes, as I later repented about an hour later, Rusty & Boxer at the JFK
assassination would be cool, and more specific topics like these would
prevent the 3DS game designer from simply dumping his portfolio onto the
IRTC server. . .
Karl Pelzer wrote:
> Hi Greg!
>
> Didn't you know that actually it was Rusty that killed "JFK" <g>?
> Useless to think of a topic that Rusty can't fit.
>
> Karl
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Karl Pelzer wrote:
> Hi Greg!
>
> Didn't you know that actually it was Rusty that killed "JFK" <g>?
> Useless to think of a topic that Rusty can't fit.
Rusty the Robot is no replacement for Rusty the Mailgirl.
--
The question is not, "Who will let me do it?"
The question is, "Who will stop me?"
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Ken wrote:
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> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > <haven't seen results yet>
> > JvS's animation was a great story, looking perfectly realistic, (and
> > I ranked it #2 in my scoring), but it too was a re-creation of
> > material on his hard drive to a large extent.
Except for three of the four robots, and the chess set, everything in
the Robot entry was created since the announcement of the topic. That
includes the animation within the animation; I know it looks a lot like
others, but it was intentionally made to look unimaginative.
> As long as the outcome of your efforts is unique from entry to entry
> you really have no unfair advantage - given that you comply with the
> the rule that it is created within the contests time period.
I'd like to add that of the six Rusty animations to date, all but two
have included a character model that wasn't in a prior Rusty animation.
If I were to count Rosie as a new model (even though she is only a
re-textured Rusty), and discount the Greb's first appearance (because in
RaBBA they existed only from the shoulders up), then all of the Rusty
animations have featured new characters.
I have never made a secret of my intention to enter Rusty animations
no matter how far I have to stretch the topic. There is one possible
topic for which I will not be doing a Rusty animation (and even then
he'll appear in the same way as Superman appears in every episode of
Seinfeld), but I won't say what it is because (a) I don't want to affect
the topic selection and (b) I dislike announcing the intention to do
something and then finding myself unable to follow through. In the
spirit of the IRTC competition I am not doing any modelling for that
idea until I've either given up on doing it for the IRTC, or a topic
that matches the idea is announced.
> John would be terribly put out if he had to abandon his Rusty
> character because had used it in a previous round. That fact that he
> can come up with original animations using some of the same material
> says a lot about his creativity.
Thanks.
Coming up with the idea for this round was actually harder this time
than before, because there were so many possibilities to choose from.
When the topic doesn't lend itself easily to robots, it usually limits
the possibilities to just a handful of ideas.
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Karl Pelzer wrote:
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> Hi Greg!
>
> Didn't you know that actually it was Rusty that killed "JFK" <g>?
Ssshhh!
> Useless to think of a topic that Rusty can't fit.
True; but as I've said elsewhere in this thread, there are some possible
topics for which I have already decided to do something else. I have
a fairly firm story line in place for this eventuality, but I won't do
any modelling work until a topic that fits it is announced (the April
2000 topic is a near miss).
Regards,
John
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I would be very disappointed if there was a round without a Rusty animation.
Keep up the good work.
Btw. Somehow I like Rosie's animation :)
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I was blowing off steam before I formalized the exact source of my
discontent.
I did give your entry the second highest score in my judging. When someone
mentioned that Rusty & Boxer could still fit their way into a JFK theme, I
realized that yes, that would be great fun.
The entries, that with my biased judgement I assumed were 3DS portfolio
dumps to the IRTC server, really bug me, not Rusty himself! I do indeed want
more eclectic topics, but not to exclude Rusty, but to make it harder for
professionals to dump a pre-existing project and call it an original IRTC
entry. Vague categories like "Creatures," "Robots," and "Life" beg this to
happen.
I'm not biased against 3DS users, but against hit and run contributors to
the IRTC. Sorry if I made loose comments that appeared to single you out.
John VanSickle wrote:
> Karl Pelzer wrote:
> >
> > Hi Greg!
> >
> > Didn't you know that actually it was Rusty that killed "JFK" <g>?
>
> Ssshhh!
>
> > Useless to think of a topic that Rusty can't fit.
>
> True; but as I've said elsewhere in this thread, there are some possible
> topics for which I have already decided to do something else. I have
> a fairly firm story line in place for this eventuality, but I won't do
> any modelling work until a topic that fits it is announced (the April
> 2000 topic is a near miss).
>
> Regards,
> John
> --
> ICQ: 46085459
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Greg M. Johnson <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote:
: The entries, that with my biased judgement I assumed were 3DS portfolio
: dumps to the IRTC server, really bug me, not Rusty himself! I do indeed want
: more eclectic topics, but not to exclude Rusty, but to make it harder for
: professionals to dump a pre-existing project and call it an original IRTC
: entry. Vague categories like "Creatures," "Robots," and "Life" beg this to
: happen.
On the other hand, I wouldn't like to see 4 entries in the topic "JFK"
only because it's too difficult.
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Nieminen Juha wrote:
> On the other hand, I wouldn't like to see 4 entries in the topic "JFK"
> only because it's too difficult.
I wouldn't want to see a "JFK" round simply because I am so sick of
hearing about it I could scream.
--
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