Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> On 06/27/09 16:22, somebody wrote:
> > True as the last sentence is, it's not the whole truth. That kind of
> > thinking has also ruined guilty people's lives, and lack of that kind of
> > thinking has also saved guilty people's lives. Not only that, but that kind
> > of thinking on occasion has ruined other innocent people's lives who were
> > victimized by a wrongfully acquitted criminal whose identity or risk was not
> > revealed to the community he was released into.
>
>  I'm quite sure Warp was well aware of this when he wrote it.
>
> > More often than not, where there's smoke, there's fire, and you cannot and
>
>  Highly misleading. More often than not, where there's smoke, *and no
> one finds a fire*, there was no fire.
>
> > proof of innocence. And it's no secret that rich and famous get benefits
> > that the commoner does not. If a poor, no-name construction worker had faced
> > the same accusations and testimonials/evidence, he'd be rotting behind bars
> > as we type.
>
>  Yes, but that does not imply that the poor construction worker was
> guilty, or that this fact made MJ statistically more likely to be guilty.
>
> > Also, people's judgements are not as black and white (no pun intended) as
> > the legal system's.
>
>  Which is what Warp is complaining about. Are you suggesting that if two
> individuals accuse you on separate occasions of things you didn't do,
> it's OK for someone to think you did it? If you did, then I think Warp
> was talking about you...
>
> > outburst? No, and neither should he have been, that would be ridiculous. But
>
>  It would be ridiculous, because it was not a crime. What MJ was accused
> of is a crime, hence the need to find him guilty if he actually was
> guilty. Your example is not analogous.
>
> > a glimpse into the uglier sides of the minds of public figures can forever
> > taint their accomplishments. I was a big fan of Seinfeld before that, but
>
>  Yes, they can. Which is what Warp complained about. Everybody has a bad
> day, and that day may have been Richard's. That outburst alone is a very
> poor indicator of any racial biases he may or may not have had. If it
> is, then almost everyone I know is a racist, including some people on
> this newsgroup.
>
>  And again, his case is irrelevant. There's *no* doubt that Richards
> said what he did. OTOH, there's a lot of doubt that MJ did what he was
> accused of.
>
> > enthusiasm. Like it or not, feelings are not switches that one can turn on
> > or off at will, neither do I wish that were the case.
>
>  I believe Warp's point is that feelings *are* switched on and off very
> easily - regardless of will. I believe his point is that people should
> be a bit more mature on how they control their feelings.
>
>  It seems you saw a clip of Richards, and your feelings switched quite
> quickly.
>
> > have certain prized qualities). If there are men with those women, a blind
> > man can read from their faces that they are merely feigning interest not to
> > come across as a jerk. Men don't ordinarily relate to children, let alone
>
>  Or rather, people like yourself try to find any sign of "feigning"
> among them, in order to fit your world view. It's a known phenomenon in
> many disciplines.
>
>  Your whole paragraph about the strollers and the differences between
> men and women is ridiculous. You're basically attributing the
> differences to physical/physiological reasons because that's what you're
> used to observing (i.e. invoking a phenomenon to explain that very
> phenomenon).
>
> > there exceptions? Maybe, one in a million. But I don't see a emotionally
> > balanced (which I don't think MJ was) grown man prefrerring the company of
> > children, over, say, even a dog's, and finding intellectual fulfillment from
> > that.
>
>  Yes, this is precisely what Warp's complaining about - people like
> yourself being incapable of realizing that the difference in behaviors
> between men and women towards children may be mostly cultural, and
> almost none of it physiological.
>
> --
> Do Not Attempt to Traverse a Chasm in Two Leaps...
>
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One less child molester in the world

not gone soon enough for some poor little kids

doing his little dances in hell now

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