Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
> I have seen how people who see the world in clear black and white act.
> They are called sociopaths. And just to be clear. I have never, nor has
> anyone I know that ranges from mildly religious to atheist, *ever* raped
> anyone, killed anyone, lied on the scale that self claimed believers do,
> or committed any of the other large scale sins that *you* are likely
> talking about when saying that we live in an immoral world. However,
> ***every*** person I have ever met that thinks the Bible is literal
> truth, believes they are saved, or otherwise thinks I am the one going
> to hell is invariably a hypocrite, lies constantly, would steal formula
> from a starving baby if they thought God wanted them to, threatens to
> kill people, has committed either rape, adultery, pedophilia, or all of
> those together, and more than a few, attach themselves to other
> *believers* like leeches, to suck money, time, and anything else they
> can get their hands on, from the fools that stand there and defend them
> for doing it.

man, cool down!  Not all believers are rapist, violent sociopaths, I certainly
am not.  Perhaps these cases search salvation exactly because of their
behaviour?  OTOH, how many sociopaths are satanists or atheists?  How many
sociopaths are in the army, supposedly defending their people?

BTW, you're just plain exagerating matters.  You say "I have never, nor has
anyone I know that ranges from mildly religious to atheist, *ever* raped
anyone, killed anyone, lied on the scale that self claimed believers do" and I
can say the same.  I haven't, nor anyone I know, even severely blind devotees
who really believe the Universe was created in 6 days and evolution is a thing
of the devil...

Atheists kill about as much as religious people:  see the comunist governments,
nazi-facists or imperialist potencies.  My take:  religous or not, we are just
sinful men.

> And, the odd thing is, these people do this crap on national TV 24/7 on
> some stations their scamming for the masses pay for, and no one blinks
> and eye.

The catholic church and many modern evangelicals wearing suits have a long
tradition of usurping from their devottees until the last penny.  But salvation
doesn't come from other men, just through the Word.

> We don't have
> saints, authority figures, kings, or people raised to some high,
> unassailable position, from which they may not be challenged.
> ... The only thing most of you are
> likely to do is send letters of praise to the people that act like fools
> in your system of beliefs, or ignore it, as inconsequential.

Rave supporting or ignoring someone is always to be expected in men's social
behaviours.

> Such people are *obviously*
> adding to the evil committed in the world, misleading people into
> believing its acceptable to commit such acts,

it's not acceptable to commit sins, but we're all bound to commit it one way or
the other and should seek forgiveness for it.  True religious people try their
best to avoid repeating their mistakes.  but you know it's hard...

> I am willing to fight against
> that, by exposing such acts. You... ignore them?

why don't you also expose sins by non-believers?  How many scientists have been
living in a fraud in their quest for fortune, fame and glory?  Yes, it's easier
to hide them when you can simply say it's the way science works:  criticise
their work and try to bring them down, if it stands, it's a good, solid theory.
 If not, let's forget.

> And somehow, the entire
> problem is not too much religion in the hands of lunatics, madmen,
> bigots and the immoral, its a lack of religion among those that don't
> fall for their lies in the first place...

Lunatics, madmen and bigots are everywhere in positions of power.  At least,
religion welcomes them and offer them a path to salvation.  If they follow it
or not is their problem and relates to their free will.

> Such people imply a state of
> blindness that only *starts* at blind faith, and merely progresses down
> hill from there.

funny thing is that I used to be a skeptic.  and my faith isn't blind at all,
it's just faith...

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