I know this is off-topic but not too many people read p.o-t - please
forgive me.

I am having trouble setting a multi-boot system using WinXP Pro and
Win98SE. I can do it with lilo but I was wondering whether Windows is
capable of that. All tutorials and help I've found online and in the
help and manual offer the following advice - install 98, install XP,
it will do it by itself... but what if I already have them installed?
I unplugged the 98 hard drive when installing XP (just in case) if
that explains my situation...

Here's my boot.ini (in XP):

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="98" /fastdetect /win95

It gets to the menu, tries to boot 98 and fails with an error along
the lines of:

"Cannot find hal.dll, please reinstall the file and try again"

hal.dll is an NT thing, IIRC, so I guess the bootloader has no idea it
has to load 98...

Any help, guys? I hate having to go to the BIOS every time I switch
OSs.


Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
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On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:15:59 +0300, Peter Popov wrote:
> [boot loader]
> timeout=30
> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
> [operating systems]
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP" /fastdetect
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="98" /fastdetect /win95

The "name" part of the 98 partition is in NT format, so the bootloader 
thinks it wants to load an NT of some kind.  Here's my boot.ini, by 
contrast (quoted so my newsreader won't complain about the long lines):

> [boot loader]
> timeout=30
> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS
> [operating systems]
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional"
/fastdetect
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Debug" /fastdetect /debugport=com1 /baudrate=115200
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional"
/fastdetect /noguiboot
> C:\="Microsoft Windows 98"

Note that the DOS-based OS (98) is specified using DOS semantics (C:\)

Unforunately, you're likely to find that 98 just won't boot off of D: .  The
bootloader has the C:\ hardcoded in it in several places.

-- 
#macro R(L P)sphere{L F}cylinder{L P F}#end#macro P(V)merge{R(z+a z)R(-z a-z)R(a
-z-z-z a+z)torus{1F clipped_by{plane{a 0}}}translate V}#end#macro Z(a F T)merge{
P(z+a)P(z-a)R(-z-z-x a)pigment{rgbf 1}hollow interior{media{emission 3-T}}}#end 
Z(-x-x.2x)camera{location z*-10rotate x*90normal{bumps.02scale.05}}

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Hey Peter, can you read French?  ;-)  I stole away the following from a web
page linked to by another one with a long URL. Well I'll put that here
anyway:
http://216.239.37.120/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.bellamyjc.net/fr/pratiq
uemultiboot.html%23W9xpostNT&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drepair%2BWinXP%2Bmultiboot%2
Bmenu%2BWin98%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8


"moins intelligent" pour finir par celui le plus performant, donc d'abord
Windows 9x, puis Windows NT/2000/XP. Tout simplement parce que Windows NT et

le cas de Windows 9x.
Cependant, la mise en place d'un multiboot Windows 9x - Windows NT/2000/XP

NT/2000/XP.

suivant :
La partition de boot est de type FAT
Booter sur une disquette DOS/Win9x


Win98
Installer Win98, en indiquant comme emplacement de Windows la nouvelle


http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm
Taper sous DOS successivement les 2 commandes suivantes :  bootpart win95
c:\bootsect.w98 "Windows 98"
bootpart winnt boot:c:

Rebooter!

La partition de boot est de type NTFS
 Comme ce type de partition n'est pas reconnu par Windows 9x, on ne peut pas
utiliser le dualboot de Windows NT/2000/XP !


et la rendre active
Rebooter avec une disquette DOS
Installer Win9x sur cette nouvelle partition,
Installer sous DOS de Win9x un bootmanager :
- System Commander (payant, excellent) http://www.v-com.com/
- XOSL (gratuit, excellent) http://www.xosl.org/
- gAg (gratuit, excellent) http://www.rastersoft.com/gageng.htm
- ...
Rebooter!


I'm not sure this would be the answer, it is about installing Win98 after
WinXP.
What little a know about the multiboot stuff, not having ever done it myself
though, is that Win98 system files need to be on the Primary "active"
partition where XP is. I think so anyway.
Well, I only know how to go to the Repair command prompt thing but I don't
have a clue about setting things so multiboot works. Only seems plausible to
do after installation so maybe there is hope.

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in news:95fojuklsmhjfto5bju565dkg0v5huov32@4ax.com Peter Popov wrote:

> install 98, install XP,
> it will do it by itself... but what if I already have them installed?

maybe this boot manager can help:

http://raster.cibermillennium.com/gageng.htm

Ingo

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On 22 Jul 2002 15:17:40 -0400, Ron Parker <ron### [at] povrayorg>
wrote:

>Note that the DOS-based OS (98) is specified using DOS semantics (C:\)

Yes, I tried that, too. When I do that, the bootloader complains about
not finding multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\bootsect.dos

When I set it using 

bootsect.dos="Windows 98"

where bootsect.dos is my other hdd's bootsector (dd'ed under Linux),
it complains about not finding hal.dll - so it's still looking for an
NT installation. The /win95 switch doesn't help in any case.

>Unforunately, you're likely to find that 98 just won't boot off of D: .  The
>bootloader has the C:\ hardcoded in it in several places.

I can switch the disks anytime, and in fact I tried that, too - I
guessed it was that stupid. However, the bootloader resides in the
WinXP disk MBR - how do I save it to the Win98 disk's MBR?

I've already spent a day editing boot.ini and logging into the
security console and all these pretty things that are so "well"
documented - to no avail. I could have done it with lilo in a ziffy
but the problem has already gotten onto my nerves and it is now a
matter of principle that I get it solved.

Any idea about the bootsect.dos and bootsect.w40 files?


Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg

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On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:49:16 +0300, Peter Popov wrote:
> Any idea about the bootsect.dos and bootsect.w40 files?

Those are the boot sectors from the original win9x installation; NT would
normally create them as it installs if it knows you have a 9x installed.
Without them, I'm not sure what you need to do.  Perhaps you can find a
friend who would pirate half a K of boring boot code for you :)

-- 
#macro R(L P)sphere{L F}cylinder{L P F}#end#macro P(V)merge{R(z+a z)R(-z a-z)R(a
-z-z-z a+z)torus{1F clipped_by{plane{a 0}}}translate V}#end#macro Z(a F T)merge{
P(z+a)P(z-a)R(-z-z-x a)pigment{rgbt 1}hollow interior{media{emission T}}finish{
reflection.1}}#end Z(-x-x.2y)Z(-x-x.4x)camera{location z*-10rotate x*90}

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On 23 Jul 2002 14:25:27 -0400, Ron Parker <ron### [at] povrayorg>
wrote:

>Those are the boot sectors from the original win9x installation; NT would
>normally create them as it installs if it knows you have a 9x installed.
>Without them, I'm not sure what you need to do.  Perhaps you can find a
>friend who would pirate half a K of boring boot code for you :)

Yeah, Linux is my friend :) I can't count now how many times it has
saved my bum out of Windows problems but the fact it - that was
exactly what helped me out.

All I had to do was dd the original Win95 bootsector and dd the NT
bootsector over it, then add c:\="Win98SE" /win95 to boot.ini and
voila! Oh, and of course I switched the disks so that the win95 one is
primary master, then copied boot.ini, nrldr and ntdetect in the root
directory, too.

Took me two days to figure out. It could have been easier if only
there was more documentation on the subject... anyway, it's working
now.


Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg

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