"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
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> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> OpenSUSE all the way here - also in your price range...
>
>  In my computer suse had a better hardware support than ubuntu.

Thanks Jim and Warp .... I'll check it out!

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Jim Holsenback wrote:
> "Larry Hudson" <org### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message 
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> 
>>I have played around with both Ubuntu and Kubuntu but haven't really 
>>"used" them.  They are both very good but I tend to stick with 
>>RedHat/Fedora simply from habit/familiarity.  But overall, I have only 
>>heard very positive comments about Ubuntu/Kubuntu.  Especially for people 
>>coming directly from the Windows world.
> 
> 
> thanks for taking the time to reply ..... redhat/fedora also get's pretty 
> good scores from what i've read but i'm on a shoe string budget so I imagine 
> i'll settle for ubuntu and save my sheckles for hardware.    .....

As to price, if you have broadband internet access (or know someone who 
does) you can download most distros for free -- including Fedora. 
Needless to say, don't try it with dial-up.  Check out distrowatch.com 
for links.

One other thing I could/should have mentioned -- POV-Ray for Linux is 
command-line only, no GUI interface.  Not difficult to use, but less 
convenient than the Windows version.  And it is easy to install, just 
run the install script (as root) and you're done.

      -=- Larry -=-

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On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:50:00 -0700, Larry Hudson wrote:

> Not difficult to use, but less
> convenient than the Windows version.

Convenience is a matter of preference - I find the Linux version more
convenient, because I don't have to start a GUI in order to render my file...

Jim

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On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:27:07 -0400, Warp wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> [quoted text muted]
> 
>   In my computer suse had a better hardware support than ubuntu.

I'd say that's been my experience as well, but Ubuntu has just released an
update so theirs might be slightly ahead ATM.  That said, I've got
all the hardware working on my Thinkpad under 10.1, and I understand
docking station support improved in 10.2. I've even been playing with the
bluetooth adapter the last few days.

I migrated to SUSE from RedHat about 4 years ago, and I've been quite
happy with it.

Jim

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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Has anyone had any experience with Ubuntu's version of Linux?

I've been running Ubuntu since at least 3 iterations.  I'm still running the
older Hoary Hedgehog or something like that.  I actually tried more recent
iterations but I have all my favorite apps and utilities installed already
and don't have broadband, so... plus, it still runs as fine as ever and I'm
not really enthusiastic about flashy stuff like 3D translucent desktops and
whatnot.

I guess Ubuntu is one of the most accessible desktop Linux ever.  But I've
still had a fair bit of command-line fun for setting up such things as
dial-up connection:  it's targetted at broadband people and forgot old hags
like me... :P

My povray setup involves typing the scenes in vi (syntax highlight, word
completion, keyboard macros etc) and calling my custom povscript from the
shell to render the scene.  Fast and lean...

It's a good alternative to get away from the M$ blackhole.

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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
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> Hola,
>
> Has anyone had any experience with Ubuntu's version of Linux?

Hey thanks everyone for the comments! I took a look at openSUSE.org I see 
what you mean (warp & other jim) about the hardware coverage. That website 
had an extensive hardware guide .... impressive. I have dialup so I looked 
at the boxed option .... $59.95 still not a bad deal considering the support 
option that's included. Chris Cason answered on the thread I started on 
povray.windows .... he seems to be an Ubuntu fan. I'm not much on bells and 
whistles I just want something good stable and reliable. I cut my teeth on 
RTE-VI then hp-ux, and I've just had it with MS. So again thanks everyone 
for taking a moment to help me out.

Ciao Jim

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Jim Holsenback <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> I have dialup so I looked 
> at the boxed option .... $59.95

  Wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run to get ADSL? You'll get a much
faster connection too.

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
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>  Wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run to get ADSL? You'll get a much
> faster connection too.
>
> -- 
>                                                          - Warp

I'm Waaaaay out in the country and get laughed at when I query my 
telecommunications provider about ANY kind of high speed connection. I can't 
even get cable TV out here (not that I watch much TV) ..... anyway I had a 
guy out a couple of months ago on a different matter and he told me that we 
were too far from the nearest junction even for ASDL. It's a blessing and a 
curse to live this far out in the sticks. Oh yeah ..... don't laugh we just 
got off party line a little over five years ago.

Jim ;-(

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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> Hola,
>
> Has anyone had any experience with Ubuntu's version of Linux? Kind of had
it
> MS and all those freekin' butches that end up breaking more than they fix.
> So I've decided to look start looking for alternatives. I came across
Ubuntu
> while reading an article .... hey they price is right (free .... open
> source).... they even picked up the postage for the install CD's. Anyway
> .... if anyone has comments .... war stories .... whatever. I'd appreciate
> it.
>
> Ciao Jim
>
>

Yes. Ubuntu is great. I've been running it for maybe 1.5 years now. Before
that I was switching a bit looking for a good x86_64 distribution and this
ended up being the best at the time. Ubuntu has the only software/package
manager that I've prefered to use over compiling my own stuff. All others
seemed to break at some point, but Synaptic (layered on top of apt) handles
everything nicely.

As far as the Ubuntu/Kubuntu thing, it's a matter of which is default (Gnome
or KDE). You can still have both installed and run applications designed for
either. At some point in the past 4 months I dropped both and was using
Enlightenment 17-alpha (for alpha level software it never crashed once). I
recently switched back to Gnome for minor aesthetic reasons.

On a side note, I also started using GnuCash and the OpenOffice spreadsheet.
Both work quite nicely.

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"Ross" <rli### [at] speakeasynet> wrote in message 
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> On a side note, I also started using GnuCash and the OpenOffice 
> spreadsheet.
> Both work quite nicely.

ah ... good to hear .... once up and running I'll need to migrate from 
excel/access/money .... yep I bought into the MS thing hook, line and 
sinker. good feedback ..... Thanks

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