Hey thanks for the replies.  I think I will stick with Moray awhile, but
check the code out at times too.

Hey and also, I recently checked out the winners of the raytracing
competition.  Man, those are some spectacular images and anims.  It does one
of two things - it either inspires, or depresses.  Personally, I really
don't think I have the patience to model Windor Castle or anything, but for
my simple work, I am well inspired. Great job to all who submit!


"Phead" <sco### [at] d0gznetnospam> wrote in message
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> Hey, Im using Moray, and Ive noticed alot of talk about Pov code. Does
> anyone just use Povray for modelling? Isn't that pretty hard to visualize?
>
>

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"Phil Clute" <pcl### [at] tiacnet> wrote in message
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|  I sometimes use sPatch or Leveller for things that would be
| time consuming to do without a modeller, but whenever I decide to use
| one I feel like "Ugh, I have to argue with a dumb modeller again...".
| Whenever I use a modeller I have to chase objects all over the place,
| "a little to the left, no not that way! Oh I'm moving the wrong screen
| again...I didn't mean to do that! UNDO!"
| With code it's
| sphere{<1,3.5,2>,0.5
|        pigment{Blue}
| }
| ...Done.

A perfect description.  I could not have put it a better way.

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"Phead" <sco### [at] d0gznetnospam> wrote in message
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|
| Hey and also, I recently checked out the winners of the raytracing
| competition.  Man, those are some spectacular images and anims.  It does one
| of two things - it either inspires, or depresses.  Personally, I really
| don't think I have the patience to model Windor Castle or anything, but for
| my simple work, I am well inspired. Great job to all who submit!

I try to prevent undue stress by only going looking at other peoples stuff
when I'm in the mood to see some neat things once again.  However I'm still
learning to close the web browser before an attack of manic-depression comes
on.
In all sincerity, I turn off the TV or at least change channels if I sense too
much 3D "goodness" being shown (more difficult to leave a theatre) or I fear
I'll become a permanent mindless spectator instead of any kind of participant.

Bob

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> I try to prevent undue stress by only going looking at other peoples stuff
> when I'm in the mood to see some neat things once again.  However I'm
still
> learning to close the web browser before an attack of manic-depression
comes
> on.
> In all sincerity, I turn off the TV or at least change channels if I sense
too
> much 3D "goodness" being shown (more difficult to leave a theatre) or I
fear
> I'll become a permanent mindless spectator instead of any kind of
participant.
>
> Bob


hahahah.. good answer!

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ryan constantine <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
: but for anything complicated, a modeller is the only
: way to go.

  Well, it depends on your definition of "complicated".
  For complicated generation of objects (trees, grass, galaxies...) modellers
are not very good unless they specifically support those.

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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Phead <sco### [at] d0gznetnospam> wrote:
: Hey, Im using Moray, and Ive noticed alot of talk about Pov code. Does
: anyone just use Povray for modelling? Isn't that pretty hard to visualize?

  It depends. I seldom use moray, although I have made something with it.
  For example this image I made completely with moray:

http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/pics/Schoolfood.jpg

  Usually I code everything by hand. An example:

http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/pics/Class.jpg

  In most of my best images I make some objects with a modeller (moray or
spatch or a model made by someone else) and the rest by hand.
  For example in this image:

http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/pics/Spacedog_3.jpg

the sorcerer is made with moray, his hand is made with blob sculptor and
everything else is made by hand (or automatically created by povray, like
the heightfield).

  Sometimes I also use some include files (mostly made by Chris Colefax) as
well. For example in this image:

http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/pics/Starship.jpg

the galaxy background is created with Chris' galaxy include file while the
spaceship is made by hand.

  In this image:

http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/pics/Spacedog_6.jpg

the head of the character was made with spatch, the background was created
with Chris' lens flare include, and everything else is made by hand.

  I seldom do anything 100% with moray (or any other modeller). Only when
I need some (usually organic-looking) object that's too difficult to make
by hand I use some modeller to make that object.

  How do I "visualize" the scene when coding? Well, I imagine the coordinate
system in my head and figure out the coordinates of a certain point in space
by looking at this 3D space in my head. The I make a test render and see
how much did it go wrong and fine-tune the values.
  It's not that hard. Requires just a bit of practice.

  Why I do this? Because I'm a coder and I like the freedom povray gives to
me when making a scene. I can easily make a while-loop to create several
copies of the object or use some other specialized algorithms to do what
I want. With a modeller I can't usually do this.

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
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Those are some really nice images and good examples of using/not using a
modeler. Thanks!

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by complicated i mean a single model that can't be put together with
functions, macros, or randomization.  trees, grass etc. are complicated,
but i don't think of them as the same kind of models.  to me they are
more like environmental constructs (which make the surroundings of where
a model goes).  clouds and skies are another example of things that are
complicated, but don't fit into my personal view of a model.  of course,
anyone that can make any of the above items realistically, has praise
from me.

Warp wrote:
> 
> ryan constantine <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> : but for anything complicated, a modeller is the only
> : way to go.
> 
>   Well, it depends on your definition of "complicated".
>   For complicated generation of objects (trees, grass, galaxies...) modellers
> are not very good unless they specifically support those.
> 
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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Phead wrote in message <394b9bea$1@news.povray.org>...
>Hey, Im using Moray, and Ive noticed alot of talk about Pov code. Does
>anyone just use Povray for modelling? Isn't that pretty hard to visualize?
>


I tend to model primarily in POV switching to sPatch or Moray only for
odder shapes (generally made of bezier patches). none of my
scenes have been done completely in a modeller and objects made
outside of povray are generally in the minority. As for how I visualize, I
find a graph book and a sharp pencil are essential.

Gail
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I have experimented with modellers. I tend to build my complicated objects
in POV-Ray as CSGs or Blobs. On occasion I will use SPatch. I have used
Moray v3.X and I don't get along with it very well. When it comes to
landscapes I use an old commercial program called VistaPro. It makes awsome
heightfields. It is a program I have played with since before I was a
Pov-Ray user.

Phead wrote in message <394b9bea$1@news.povray.org>...
>Hey, Im using Moray, and Ive noticed alot of talk about Pov code. Does
>anyone just use Povray for modelling? Isn't that pretty hard to visualize?
>
>

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