Dick Balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:

> I have libglx0 and libopengl0 [1], but I'm not sure where they came
> from. AFAICT they are in the normal mint/ubuntu repos.

I haven't done a lot with the PPA / repositories  --- I've just sort of cut and
pasted command line stuff from some betty crocker web pages as I've needed them,
so I don't know which ones I'm plugged into and which ones are "the normal
ones".

> The Qt >= 5.11 is problematic.  That is way too new to be in any debian
> distros. Baldy is Mint 19.1 with QT 5.5.  I am Mint 19.2 (newest
> version, 2 months old) and that is QT 5.9.

I'm presuming that I need to do more than just a simple "sudo apt-get upgrade",
since I've done that a few times in recent memory, and it looks like I'm still
lagging behind you, Speedy.

Mint 19.3 is scheduled for December.  Maybe I'll figure out how to install that
and see if it fixes some things...
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/linux-mint-19-3-tricia-release-features


With regard to QTPOV-Ray:  I find that - too often - I'm doing something that
pastes a bit of copied text into my scene in what looks like random places.
Maybe I'm clicking a mouse button or using a keystroke when I'm actually in the
editor but I think I'm in the browser window or the system's text editor...
But I was wondering if any such thing ever happened to you.
I'm forever scratching my head, wondering "How did THAT get in there...?"
That mouse-click-paste is a dangerously easy thing to inadvertently do.
Can I disable?


> [1] $ apt-cache show libglx0

My terminal typeface has that nice "dotted zero", but my GUI typeface seems to
use one that makes it look too much like O.  :|

Ever since I tried using Redshift to relieve some eye strain and it took me
forever to shut it off (I think I resorted to ps, grep, and "kill -9 [pid]"  :D
) I haven't fiddled with the greebles and frobs much...

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hi,

(forgot)

"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> ...
> Ever since I tried using Redshift to relieve some eye strain and it took me
> forever to shut it off (I think I resorted to ps, grep, and "kill -9 [pid]"  :D
> ) I haven't fiddled with the greebles and frobs much...

there's also 'killall' which has the advantage of taking names, eg killall
redshift.

personally, I prefer the 'kill -s SIG pid' notation.  safer in use, imo.


regards, jr.

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On 11/3/19 9:27 AM, Bald Eagle wrote:
> 
> Dick Balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
> 
>> I have libglx0 and libopengl0 [1], but I'm not sure where they came
>> from. AFAICT they are in the normal mint/ubuntu repos.
> 
> I haven't done a lot with the PPA / repositories  --- I've just sort of cut and
> pasted command line stuff from some betty crocker web pages as I've needed them,
> so I don't know which ones I'm plugged into and which ones are "the normal
> ones".

/etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
contains the normal ones.  Any you add are in their own file, like 
qtpovray-qtpovray-bionic.list

> 
>> The Qt >= 5.11 is problematic.  That is way too new to be in any debian
>> distros. Baldy is Mint 19.1 with QT 5.5.  I am Mint 19.2 (newest
>> version, 2 months old) and that is QT 5.9.
> 
> I'm presuming that I need to do more than just a simple "sudo apt-get upgrade",
> since I've done that a few times in recent memory, and it looks like I'm still
> lagging behind you, Speedy.

*You* shouldn't have to do anything.  It's up to the dev to try to 
broaden his potential user base (which is pretty small to begin with) 
and not use bleeding edge versions.  If he is cutting debian versions, 
he needs to use supported debian versions as much as possible.

(Unless absolutely necessary, which in this case is a port from 2005's 
Qt 3, so I doubt there is anything Qt 5.11 specific)

> 
> With regard to QTPOV-Ray:  I find that - too often - I'm doing something that
> pastes a bit of copied text into my scene in what looks like random places.
> Maybe I'm clicking a mouse button or using a keystroke when I'm actually in the
> editor but I think I'm in the browser window or the system's text editor...
> But I was wondering if any such thing ever happened to you.
> I'm forever scratching my head, wondering "How did THAT get in there...?"
> That mouse-click-paste is a dangerously easy thing to inadvertently do.
> Can I disable?

That middle-mouse-button-paste thing is indeed a pita, and really 
useless.  It is left over from the '80s and I can't believe it's still a 
thing.
I do it rarely, accidentally, of course.  I looked at disabling it, it's 
not easy and doesn't really work for me.  Solution: Don't do that.


-- 
dik
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Dick Balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:

> *You* shouldn't have to do anything.  It's up to the dev to try to
> broaden his potential user base (which is pretty small to begin with)
> and not use bleeding edge versions.  If he is cutting debian versions,
> he needs to use supported debian versions as much as possible.
>
> (Unless absolutely necessary, which in this case is a port from 2005's
> Qt 3, so I doubt there is anything Qt 5.11 specific)
>

> --
> dik
> Rendered 22,077,619,200 of 40,928,716,800 pixels (53%)

Full ack to this. It is my responsibility to make the packages work. But as its
the first time doing that, I need some more days to upgrade my dev environment.
I think it would be a good idea to have some different systems available to not
only check the installation procedure but the build process as well.

To setup a specific distribution into a VM only takes an hour or so. It is ok to
support my efforts, but I need the VMs anyway. So dont risk your own
installation.

That I used a debian-10 busty as my first debian environment, that has the
qt5.11 libs, was sheer coincidence. But, hey. No problem doing it again with a
mint 19.2 and mint 19.1 next. The VMs already up.

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I now have a build environment to produce the various packages.

They get build on the original distros. So it should be match far better than in
the first version


https://www.simulated-universe.de/povmodeler-0.1-debian-10.deb

https://www.simulated-universe.de/povmodeler-0.1-linuxmint-19.1.deb

https://www.simulated-universe.de/povmodeler-0.1-linuxmint-19.2.deb

https://www.simulated-universe.de/povmodeler-0.1-opensuse-leap-15.1.rpm


As I mostly work on weekend on this project its going on slowly.
I did not change anything on the installation places and the like. Maybe doing
this tomorrow.

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Did some changes to the installation places and give the packages a better
version info.

https://www.simulated-universe.de/povmodeler-1.1.4-debian-10.deb
https://www.simulated-universe.de/povmodeler-1.1.4-linuxmint-19.1.deb
https://www.simulated-universe.de/povmodeler-1.1.4-linuxmint-19.2.deb
https://www.simulated-universe.de/povmodeler-1.1.4-opensuse-leap-15.1.rpm
https://www.simulated-universe.de/povmodeler-1.1.4-fedora-30.rpm

Check it!

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"simbad" <Han### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> Did some changes to the installation places and give the packages a better
> version info.

> Check it!

Nice!   I will.
inxi -Fx gives me Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia - I'll let you know how the debian
packages work out with these.

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"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> "simbad" <Han### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> > Did some changes to the installation places and give the packages a better
> > version info.
>
> > Check it!
>
> Nice!   I will.
> inxi -Fx gives me Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia - I'll let you know how the debian
> packages work out with these.

Installed a Linux Mint 18.3 and checked it. I would not expect it to run. I can
not even build it on this distro. Should not be a big problem. But must check
how to not break my build environment.

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"simbad" <Han### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> "Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> > "simbad" <Han### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> > > Did some changes to the installation places and give the packages a better
> > > version info.
> >
> > > Check it!
> >
> > Nice!   I will.
> > inxi -Fx gives me Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia - I'll let you know how the debian
> > packages work out with these.
>
> Installed a Linux Mint 18.3 and checked it. I would not expect it to run. I can
> not even build it on this distro. Should not be a big problem. But must check
> how to not break my build environment.

Completed. Even it feels like a hack. But it produced something. The packages
have been updated and a package for the Mint-18.3 is here

https://www.simulated-universe.de/povmodeler-1.1.4-linuxmint-18.3.deb

But as I checked it only in the debian-10 VM and my own fedora-30 it may fail to
work.

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"simbad" <Han### [at] gmxde> wrote:

> > Installed a Linux Mint 18.3 and checked it. I would not expect it to run. I can
> > not even build it on this distro. Should not be a big problem. But must check
> > how to not break my build environment.
>
> Completed. Even it feels like a hack. But it produced something. The packages
> have been updated and a package for the Mint-18.3 is here

Well it works, so your hacks are good   :)

I have to set up the environment variables so that it can find a version of
POV-Ray to use, so a pointer to any documentation this thing used to have would
be sweet!
Also, if there are some .kpm files to use as examples, anyone new to this would
likely find those useful.

Super work!    Glad to finally have a running example of this to play with.
Thanks so much for what must be a LOT of unseen work in the background.

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