On 04.07.2020 22:42, Mr wrote:
> Mostly thanks to Clipka, who had the good sense to really synch his Uberpov
> branch and move back things to trunk from it as much as he could.
> 
> If we could we would be very well inspired to gather enough money to provide
> some kind of Grant for Clipka... But how to do
> that?
> 
> Has it been considered to at least make him a candidate for a Google Summer of
> code campaign?... I have no doubt that he will be very much over the lot of
> other candidates... The tutor could be one of the chairmen.
> 
> If this is not an option or not attractive enough for him, let's come up with
> other ideas to fulfill this goal (a short term but professional contract for
> Clipka !)

He obviously is long out of university and has a real day job that pays 
well. Google summer of code is a student activity.

Thorsten

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hi,

Thorsten <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> On 04.07.2020 14:36, Bald Eagle wrote:
> > Chris Cason<del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg>  wrote:
> >> ...
> > ...
> I think the first thing to understand is that the code and the language
> are the way they are by design, and that design makes a real lot of
> sense if you take a serious and not a superficial look. ...
> I have been around from 3.1 to 3.7 release cycles after all.

that would seem to make you the person to ask a technical question.  :-)

while I'm quite happy with the SDL per se, I really miss "introspection" tools.
along the lines 'typeof()' and 'obj_info()'.

so, how difficult would it be, from your perspective, to implement a 'typeof()'
function which returns an integer value (no enums, alas) that could be used like
eg (with made-up "magic" numbers):

#switch (typeof(Name))
  #case (0)
    // have an object.
    #break
  #case (1)
    // have a vector.
    #break
  ...
#end

and, if in yr opinion it's not too difficult, can you please outline (roughly)
the steps, and, perhaps, the source files likely to be involved?


regards, jr.

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Thorsten <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> On 04.07.2020 22:42, Mr wrote:
> > Mostly thanks to Clipka, who had the good sense to really synch his Uberpov
> > branch and move back things to trunk from it as much as he could.
> >
> > If we could we would be very well inspired to gather enough money to provide
> > some kind of Grant for Clipka... But how to do
> > that?
> >
> > Has it been considered to at least make him a candidate for a Google Summer of
> > code campaign?... I have no doubt that he will be very much over the lot of
> > other candidates... The tutor could be one of the chairmen.
> >
> > If this is not an option or not attractive enough for him, let's come up with
> > other ideas to fulfill this goal (a short term but professional contract for
> > Clipka !)
>
> He obviously is long out of university and has a real day job that pays
> well. Google summer of code is a student activity.
>
> Thorsten

Okay. How about all these firms using POV for benchmark... wouldn't they gold
sponsor some kind of Patreon?

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Just a followup to say that Ill be posting another update in a little while.

-- Chris

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hi,

Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 02/07/2020 om 11:57 schreef jr:
> > so, the following is just me "ranting", and if you're .. of a delicate
> > disposition, do not read on.
> >
> [snip]
>
> I am glad you started this discussion. ... I believe we all would be
> helped with a bit of serious information, ...

tja..  looks like no information -- at all.  CC's "Let me ping the other guys on
our mailing list and see what they think" (Jul 4th), and "... Ill be posting
another update in a little while" (Jul 12th), had no followups.

("move on, move on, nothing to see.."?!  apparently happy to just kick the ball
in the long grass)


regards, jr.

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On 7/21/20 6:48 AM, jr wrote:
> hi,
> 
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Op 02/07/2020 om 11:57 schreef jr:
>>> so, the following is just me "ranting", and if you're .. of a delicate
>>> disposition, do not read on.
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> I am glad you started this discussion. ... I believe we all would be
>> helped with a bit of serious information, ...
> 
> tja..  looks like no information -- at all.  CC's "Let me ping the other guys on
> our mailing list and see what they think" (Jul 4th), and "... Ill be posting
> another update in a little while" (Jul 12th), had no followups.
> 
> ("move on, move on, nothing to see.."?!  apparently happy to just kick the ball
> in the long grass)
> 
> 
> regards, jr.
> 

well if it makes any difference...there HAS been some discussion about 
the task at hand, and i think (from what i can tell) it's not going to 
be the task...rather finding someone with the right skill set to get it 
done.

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:48:45 -0400, jr wrote:

> hi,
> 
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Op 02/07/2020 om 11:57 schreef jr:
>> > so, the following is just me "ranting", and if you're .. of a
>> > delicate disposition, do not read on.
>> >
>> [snip]
>>
>> I am glad you started this discussion. ... I believe we all would be
>> helped with a bit of serious information, ...
> 
> tja..  looks like no information -- at all.  CC's "Let me ping the other
> guys on our mailing list and see what they think" (Jul 4th), and "...
> Ill be posting another update in a little while" (Jul 12th), had no
> followups.
> 
> ("move on, move on, nothing to see.."?!  apparently happy to just kick
> the ball in the long grass)
> 
> 
> regards, jr.

What are you offering to do to help out?  Maybe you didn't notice, but 
nobody working on pov-ray is paid to do so, it's a volunteer effort.

People have lives, and I don't know if you noticed, but there's a lot of 
stuff going on in the world that has people pretty concerned.

Instead of complaining, maybe offer to help out where you can.

My $0.02.

-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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hi,

Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:48:45 -0400, jr wrote:
> > Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> >> Op 02/07/2020 om 11:57 schreef jr:
> >> > so, the following is just me "ranting", and if you're .. of a
> >> > delicate disposition, do not read on.
> >> >
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> I am glad you started this discussion. ... I believe we all would be
> >> helped with a bit of serious information, ...
> >
> > tja..  looks like no information -- at all.  CC's "Let me ping the other
> > guys on our mailing list and see what they think" (Jul 4th), and "...
> > Ill be posting another update in a little while" (Jul 12th), had no
> > followups.
> >
> > ("move on, move on, nothing to see.."?!  apparently happy to just kick
> > the ball in the long grass)
>
> What are you offering to do to help out?  Maybe you didn't notice, but
> nobody working on pov-ray is paid to do so, it's a volunteer effort.

> People have lives, and I don't know if you noticed, but there's a lot of
> stuff going on in the world that has people pretty concerned.

there's always "stuff going on in the world" -- it's called life.

and if you're alluding to SARS-Cov-2, re-read the thread.  the "pandemic" cannot
be blamed for sitting on the Moray source for thirteen plus years.

> Instead of complaining, maybe offer to help out where you can.

<http://news.povray.org/web.5f00de9f17b7b05f4d00143e0%40news.povray.org>

> My $0.02.



> "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
> besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

quite.


regards, jr.

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hi,

Ash Holsenback <no### [at] spamcom> wrote:
> On 7/21/20 6:48 AM, jr wrote:
> > Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> >> Op 02/07/2020 om 11:57 schreef jr:
> >>> so, the following is just me "ranting", and if you're .. of a delicate
> >>> disposition, do not read on.
> >>>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> I am glad you started this discussion. ... I believe we all would be
> >> helped with a bit of serious information, ...
> >
> > tja..  looks like no information -- at all.  CC's "Let me ping the other guys on
> > our mailing list and see what they think" (Jul 4th), and "... Ill be posting
> > another update in a little while" (Jul 12th), had no followups.
> >
> > ("move on, move on, nothing to see.."?!  apparently happy to just kick the ball
> > in the long grass)
>
> well if it makes any difference...there HAS been some discussion about
> the task at hand, and i think (from what i can tell) it's not going to
> be the task...rather finding someone with the right skill set to get it
> done.

future code development isn't the only .. concern, but thanks for the update.


regards, jr.

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:32:24 -0400, jr wrote:

>> What are you offering to do to help out?  Maybe you didn't notice, but
>> nobody working on pov-ray is paid to do so, it's a volunteer effort.
> 
>> People have lives, and I don't know if you noticed, but there's a lot
>> of stuff going on in the world that has people pretty concerned.
> 
> there's always "stuff going on in the world" -- it's called life.

Exactly.

> and if you're alluding to SARS-Cov-2, re-read the thread.  the
> "pandemic" cannot be blamed for sitting on the Moray source for thirteen
> plus years.

And your point is?  It takes people to step up to do stuff, and when 
people aren't stepping up to do stuff, things don't get done.

Welcome to the world of open source development with a small project team.

>> Instead of complaining, maybe offer to help out where you can.
> 
> <http://news.povray.org/web.5f00de9f17b7b05f4d00143e0%40news.povray.org>

Fair enough.

Being impatient isn't going to make things go faster.  As you astutely 
observed, the "stuff going on in the world" is life.  People have them, 
and set their priorities as they see fit.

They're not going to change them based on your desires, especially if you 
rant and complain to get action.

-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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