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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> stbenge wrote:
>> 6 megs isn't too bad. Some of those art programs can run into the
>> hundreds... Maybe I can use my download manager to acquire them in
>> chunks, maybe not :/
>
> If you can't throw me the URL in email (remove removethis. and .invalid)
> and I'll pre-chunk it for you (assuming the software is free to dl, I
> didn't check).
>
> -Aero
Some of it is, with registration. One program doesn't seem to be
available anywhere; you can get it only as a bonus download after buying
the tablet. Maybe I should try the local media shop. They allow you to
use their computers to download things - for a price.
I'll keep your offer in mind, thanks! I'd rather not trouble you though :/
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stbenge wrote:
> Eero Ahonen wrote:
>> If you can't throw me the URL in email (remove removethis. and .invalid)
>> and I'll pre-chunk it for you (assuming the software is free to dl, I
>> didn't check).
>
> Some of it is, with registration. One program doesn't seem to be
> available anywhere; you can get it only as a bonus download after buying
> the tablet. Maybe I should try the local media shop. They allow you to
> use their computers to download things - for a price.
>
> I'll keep your offer in mind, thanks! I'd rather not trouble you though :/
Just received a return e-mail from a wacom support guy. As it turns out,
I can request a DVD containing the programs! The wacom page itself gave
no indication of this option, but at least it exists :)
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:23:09 -0700, stbenge wrote:
> stbenge wrote:
>> Eero Ahonen wrote:
>>> If you can't throw me the URL in email (remove removethis. and
>>> .invalid) and I'll pre-chunk it for you (assuming the software is free
>>> to dl, I didn't check).
>>
>> Some of it is, with registration. One program doesn't seem to be
>> available anywhere; you can get it only as a bonus download after
>> buying the tablet. Maybe I should try the local media shop. They allow
>> you to use their computers to download things - for a price.
>>
>> I'll keep your offer in mind, thanks! I'd rather not trouble you though
>> :/
>
> Just received a return e-mail from a wacom support guy. As it turns out,
> I can request a DVD containing the programs! The wacom page itself gave
> no indication of this option, but at least it exists :)
I thought I saw that option when I downloaded my bundle - there's a
nominal charge (something like $10) for shipping and handling.
Jim
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stbenge wrote:
> It's very quiet until the neighbors come.
>
> Or until somebody holds you hostage, at gunpoint... which actually
> happened to me recently :S Let me tell you, sharing your house with
> questionable characters - even old friends - can backfire on you :(
whoa! Take care, dude!
>> That's great, man! You'll be getting nuts with it, like I did... I
>> mean, losing
>> some of your sleep just to get those final strokes... :D
>
> It'll be just like the time I discovered POV. No sleep (O_o)
never had such problem with pov. I just let the render go overnight
while I sleep... ;)
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stbenge wrote:
>
> Just received a return e-mail from a wacom support guy. As it turns out,
> I can request a DVD containing the programs! The wacom page itself gave
> no indication of this option, but at least it exists :)
Hey, watch out. That sounds like offering customers a service, which
doesn't fit the ripoff business models of today.
Just kidding :).
-Aero
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:17 +0000, Eero Ahonen wrote:
> stbenge wrote:
>>
>> Just received a return e-mail from a wacom support guy. As it turns
>> out, I can request a DVD containing the programs! The wacom page itself
>> gave no indication of this option, but at least it exists :)
>
> Hey, watch out. That sounds like offering customers a service, which
> doesn't fit the ripoff business models of today.
>
> Just kidding :).
For some businesses, this isn't far off the mark, though.
Jim
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> stbenge wrote:
>> Just received a return e-mail from a wacom support guy. As it turns out,
>> I can request a DVD containing the programs! The wacom page itself gave
>> no indication of this option, but at least it exists :)
>
> Hey, watch out. That sounds like offering customers a service, which
> doesn't fit the ripoff business models of today.
>
> Just kidding :).
Well, I guess I could haggle. They promised free software, after all ;)
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nemesis wrote:
> stbenge wrote:
>> It's very quiet until the neighbors come.
>>
>> Or until somebody holds you hostage, at gunpoint... which actually
>> happened to me recently :S Let me tell you, sharing your house with
>> questionable characters - even old friends - can backfire on you :(
>
> whoa! Take care, dude!
I usually do :( At least I'm now more cognizant of the potentially
negative outcomes arising from charitable intentions. Helping people who
have hearts: good. Helping sociopaths: stupid. :(
>>> That's great, man! You'll be getting nuts with it, like I did... I
>>> mean, losing
>>> some of your sleep just to get those final strokes... :D
>>
>> It'll be just like the time I discovered POV. No sleep (O_o)
>
> never had such problem with pov. I just let the render go overnight
> while I sleep... ;)
The lack of sleep came because I was maniacally trying different features :)
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> For some businesses, this isn't far off the mark, though.
True (and that kind of business model is getting alarmful usual), but
they probably wouldn't have promised even to send the CD.
> Jim
-Aero
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:45:42 +0000, Eero Ahonen wrote:
> True (and that kind of business model is getting alarmful usual), but
> they probably wouldn't have promised even to send the CD.
True.
The thing that I wonder is why so many businesses seem to think that they
can't (or shouldn't) make pricing simple, but instead have to follow the
US mobile carrier model of making it impossible to figure out what
something actually costs until you're locked into a contract.
With physical products, it's pretty easy to do that. It's when you start
dealing with intangibles ('services' or 'software as a service' or
'software as a subscription' which is becoming more popular).
I periodically go in and review my options for my mobile phone. I spend
about $87 a month for 450 minutes (which I never use, but it's the
smallest option), data service (which I use heavily with my Blackberry).
I don't use international calling and rarely use texting. But when I
first took over the account (my employer had paid it in the past), I saw
that I was paying for a data plan that included unlimited text messages
and ALSO paying $5/month for - yep - unlimited text messages. I was
paying for international roaming (which was supposed to be temporary when
I went to Barcelona a few years ago), international calling, and then a
separate cost for calling to Canada.
Or take something like "Software Assurance" - which I know from MS is
optional but from other companies isn't. If I'm pricing a product out to
do a comparison, a single price makes sense. But add in something like
"mandatory maintenance" which is not part of the product cost, and now
it's more difficult to compare apples to apples. If "maintenance" is
mandatory, then include it in the product price!
Same sort of thing with this relatively recent scam of "extended
warranties" - every time I'm offered one, I suggest that if the product
quality is such that I might *need* an extended warranty, then maybe I'm
not interested in the product, because I want to purchase products that
are of high quality to start with. If I'm buying something that's not a
high quality product, I'm generally doing it for a reason, in which case
I'm anticipating replacing it at some point in the future (for example, I
have a need that there is a high-quality product for but I can't afford
that product right now and my need is immediate - I'll take care of the
immediate need with something "good enough" and save for the quality
product for when the "good enough" product quits.)
I could go on and on, but I've actually got work to finish up this
week. ;-)
Jim
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