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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: evil TV commercials
Date: 13 May 2008 15:30:15
Message: <4829ec47@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> Well, personally, I've had a problem with the pharma companies 
> advertising "ask your doctor of Vaxodrine is right for you" - the 
> doctor's the professional, let THEM make that determination. 

The drug company is basically saying "tell your doctor we have a new 
drug."  The best commercials are the ones where they tell your doctor to 
ask about it, but don't even tell you what kind of illness it treats.

> in the medical field) and push drugs that aren't really needed or 
> appropriate.  Well, *some* do, not all.  Obviously there are some 
> responsible doctors out there.

Yeah. Part of it is the insurance bit - doctors don't get paid much for 
seeing patients compared to treating patients.

Pretty much everything where the person paying isn't the person getting 
the benefits if f'ed up in the same way. Everything from 
advertising-driven media to US medicine to indirect-tax-funded services.

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   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: evil TV commercials
Date: 13 May 2008 15:48:15
Message: <4829f07f@news.povray.org>
"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
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> stbenge wrote:
> > Obviously the TV commercials are giving people the idea that they can
> > take SSRI/SNRIs for nearly any problem causing anxiety or depression.
>
> In the US you need to get doctors to approve almost everything. I'm not
> sure I could call this the sole fault of the phama companies.

When I visited the US recently, I was very surprised by the adverts for
perscription drugs on TV. Here only non-perscription drugs are advertised


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: evil TV commercials
Date: 13 May 2008 16:13:02
Message: <4829f64e$1@news.povray.org>
stbenge wrote:

> 
> SSRI/SNRIs are *not* the wonder drugs the pharmaceuticals would have you 
> think they are. I've experienced SSRI-induced psychosis myself, although 
> I'll admit I was wrongly diagnosed at the time. Simple precaution could 
> have saved me a lot of trouble, a vehicle, a driver's license, and six 
> months.
> 

Odd, I've been on an SSRI class medication for quite some time, and have 
never had any ill effects from it.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: evil TV commercials
Date: 13 May 2008 16:44:39
Message: <4829fdb7$1@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw wrote:
> When I visited the US recently, I was very surprised by the adverts for
> perscription drugs on TV. 


The laws on this changed just a few years ago, actually.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: stbenge
Subject: Re: evil TV commercials
Date: 13 May 2008 16:47:42
Message: <4829fe6e@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> stbenge wrote:
> 
>>
>> SSRI/SNRIs are *not* the wonder drugs the pharmaceuticals would have 
>> you think they are. I've experienced SSRI-induced psychosis myself, 
>> although I'll admit I was wrongly diagnosed at the time. Simple 
>> precaution could have saved me a lot of trouble, a vehicle, a driver's 
>> license, and six months.
>>
> 
> Odd, I've been on an SSRI class medication for quite some time, and have 
> never had any ill effects from it.

Why are you on it? You're probably not one of the 8% who goes psychotic.

I'm bipolar. Two years ago I was being treated with two antidepressants 
and no mood stabilizers... a bad situation for somebody prone to have 
manic episodes :O

Sam


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: evil TV commercials
Date: 13 May 2008 17:09:28
Message: <482a0388@news.povray.org>
"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
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> Gail Shaw wrote:
> > When I visited the US recently, I was very surprised by the adverts for
> > perscription drugs on TV.
>
> The laws on this changed just a few years ago, actually.

To allow it, or to restrict it?
I was there Sept last year.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: evil TV commercials
Date: 13 May 2008 17:17:29
Message: <482a0569$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 13 May 2008 12:30:14 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Well, personally, I've had a problem with the pharma companies
>> advertising "ask your doctor of Vaxodrine is right for you" - the
>> doctor's the professional, let THEM make that determination.
> 
> The drug company is basically saying "tell your doctor we have a new
> drug."  

Because the doctor hasn't already received a thousand flyers for it, or a 
paid golf holiday?

> The best commercials are the ones where they tell your doctor to
> ask about it, but don't even tell you what kind of illness it treats.

Yeah.....

>> in the medical field) and push drugs that aren't really needed or
>> appropriate.  Well, *some* do, not all.  Obviously there are some
>> responsible doctors out there.
> 
> Yeah. Part of it is the insurance bit - doctors don't get paid much for
> seeing patients compared to treating patients.

True....

> Pretty much everything where the person paying isn't the person getting
> the benefits if f'ed up in the same way. Everything from
> advertising-driven media to US medicine to indirect-tax-funded services.

Wholeheartedly agree with that.  I just think it's particularly bad when 
the advertisers are messing with people's health.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: evil TV commercials
Date: 13 May 2008 17:17:48
Message: <482a057c$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:10:36 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:

> To allow it, or to restrict it?

To allow it.

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: evil TV commercials
Date: 13 May 2008 17:57:13
Message: <482a0eb9$1@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
> news:4829fdb7$1@news.povray.org...
>> Gail Shaw wrote:
>>> When I visited the US recently, I was very surprised by the adverts for
>>> perscription drugs on TV.
>> The laws on this changed just a few years ago, actually.
> 
> To allow it, or to restrict it?
> I was there Sept last year.

To allow it.  Maybe 3 to 5 years ago, if I recall correctly.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: evil TV commercials
Date: 13 May 2008 18:35:37
Message: <482a17b9$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 13 May 2008 14:57:13 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Gail Shaw wrote:
>> "Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
>> news:4829fdb7$1@news.povray.org...
>>> Gail Shaw wrote:
>>>> When I visited the US recently, I was very surprised by the adverts
>>>> for perscription drugs on TV.
>>> The laws on this changed just a few years ago, actually.
>> 
>> To allow it, or to restrict it?
>> I was there Sept last year.
> 
> To allow it.  Maybe 3 to 5 years ago, if I recall correctly.

that sounds about right.

Jim


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