Warp wrote:
> Censoring an entire domain name will usually cause this to happen (unless
> the domain name is extremely specific and contains only illegal material).

Certainly one wouldn't be able to do that to facebook.com. wikileaks.com? 
Probably.

> to the authority who made the mistake. (I'll give you a hint: No.)

Exactly. Guess why the people who decide what goes on this list is also 
secret? I can't imagine why that would be secret either, except to protect 
the people adding things to the list they shouldn't.

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On 1/20/2011 3:36 PM, Warp wrote:
> UncleHoot<jer### [at] questsoftwarecom>  wrote:
>> http://www.efa.org.au/category/censorship/mandatory-isp-filtering/
>
>    "The good news is that the European Parliament are already skeptical of
> mandatory filtering. Will national governments be so sensible?"
>
>    Not the Finnish government, at least.
>
>    (What is even stranger, and scary, about the Finnish internet censorship
> is that not only is the exact list a secret which ISP's must not divulge,
> but the exact authority or authorities who decide what goes into the list
> is also a secret. Nobody outside the government and the police force knows
> who is making the decisions.)
>
That is any entirely different problem. Such filtering is kind of like 
stretching a net across a river, with random sized holes and **hoping** 
it only catches fish, the right *kind* and *size* of fish, and misses 
tree branches, otters, recreational boaters, boulders, and what ever 
else ends up going down stream. Short of an AI based system, which can 
process stuff like a person, **not a filter**, it just isn't going to 
work *period*. Sane people know this, stupid people imagine computers 
are "magic", and all they have to do is demand someone make it happen, 
and it will work, somehow, eventually...

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       call slow_by_half();
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     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
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On 22/01/2011 03:56 AM, Patrick Elliott wrote:

> stupid people imagine computers
> are "magic", and all they have to do is demand someone make it happen,
> and it will work, somehow, eventually...

I think you just articulated "reason #1 why computer projects fail"...

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Exactly. Guess why the people who decide what goes on this list is also 
> secret? I can't imagine why that would be secret either, except to protect 
> the people adding things to the list they shouldn't.

  Do you know what's the most egregious part of this whole issue? The
authorities themselves know that the majority of the stuff they put in
the list is not illegal. They are simply padding the list for shows, to
pretend that they are doing something, when they really aren't.

  There are partial lists of banned websites out there (collected by people
who stumble accross them). A big bunch of the urls point to European or
North-American web servers. There is not a single country in Europe or
North America that would not take child pornography seriously and wouldn't
start an immediate investigation if the police department of another country
reported such a website located in their country.

  However, as far as I can tell, the Finnish police does not report these
allegedly illegal websites to the countries where they are located. Why not?
Obviously because they know the material isn't actually illegal. They are
just padding the list for shows. (From the published partial lists, the
majority of the websites contain gay porn, and a small portion have nothing
to do with porn or anything illegal at all.)

  Obviously if there was a website with real child porn in it, the proper
course of action for the Finnish police would be to contact the authorities
of the country where the server is located (as said, many of these servers
are located in Europe and North America). Just adding the websites to the
censorship list and then forgetting about it is probably the worst thing
they could do.

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Warp wrote:
>   However, as far as I can tell, the Finnish police does not report these
> allegedly illegal websites to the countries where they are located. Why not?
> Obviously because they know the material isn't actually illegal.

That is an excellent point as well.

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> On 22/01/2011 03:56 AM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>
>> stupid people imagine computers
>> are "magic", and all they have to do is demand someone make it happen,
>> and it will work, somehow, eventually...
>
> I think you just articulated "reason #1 why computer projects fail"...
>

Reminds me of an idea that I had for a comic strip that I'd like to paste on 
my cubicle.

Panel 1:
(young man talking to wizard)
young man: So...  I really want this girl to fall in love with me.
wizard: Hmmm...

Panel 2:
(wizard looks pensive)
wizard: What you are asking is not simple.  There are a variety of factors 
to consider.  I should be able to give you an estimate within a couple of 
days, but you're probably looking at a couple weeks of work, at a minimum. 
This will not be cheap.

Panel 3:
(young man looks shocked, wizard looks stern)
young man: What???  I can't afford that!  I thought this would just take a 
couple of minutes!
wizard: Well what do you think this is?  Computer programming???

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> young man: What???  I can't afford that!  I thought this would just take a
> couple of minutes!
> wizard: Well what do you think this is?  Computer programming???

Heheh. Yeah. Like it's that easy. ;-)

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On 24-1-2011 15:26, UncleHoot wrote:
> "Orchid XP v8"<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote in message
> news:4d3ad55f$1@news.povray.org...
>> On 22/01/2011 03:56 AM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>>
>>> stupid people imagine computers
>>> are "magic", and all they have to do is demand someone make it happen,
>>> and it will work, somehow, eventually...
>>
>> I think you just articulated "reason #1 why computer projects fail"...
>>
>
> Reminds me of an idea that I had for a comic strip that I'd like to paste on
> my cubicle.
>
> Panel 1:
> (young man talking to wizard)
> young man: So...  I really want this girl to fall in love with me.
> wizard: Hmmm...
>
> Panel 2:
> (wizard looks pensive)
> wizard: What you are asking is not simple.  There are a variety of factors
> to consider.  I should be able to give you an estimate within a couple of
> days, but you're probably looking at a couple weeks of work, at a minimum.
> This will not be cheap.
>
> Panel 3:
> (young man looks shocked, wizard looks stern)
> young man: What???  I can't afford that!  I thought this would just take a
> couple of minutes!
> wizard: Well what do you think this is?  Computer programming???
>

So why don't you draw that? creating comics has been done
before in this group.

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On 1/24/2011 10:32 AM, andrel wrote:
> On 24-1-2011 15:26, UncleHoot wrote:
>> "Orchid XP v8"<voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
>> news:4d3ad55f$1@news.povray.org...
>>> On 22/01/2011 03:56 AM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>>>
>>>> stupid people imagine computers
>>>> are "magic", and all they have to do is demand someone make it happen,
>>>> and it will work, somehow, eventually...
>>>
>>> I think you just articulated "reason #1 why computer projects fail"...
>>>
>>
>> Reminds me of an idea that I had for a comic strip that I'd like to
>> paste on
>> my cubicle.
>>
>> Panel 1:
>> (young man talking to wizard)
>> young man: So... I really want this girl to fall in love with me.
>> wizard: Hmmm...
>>
>> Panel 2:
>> (wizard looks pensive)
>> wizard: What you are asking is not simple. There are a variety of factors
>> to consider. I should be able to give you an estimate within a couple of
>> days, but you're probably looking at a couple weeks of work, at a
>> minimum.
>> This will not be cheap.
>>
>> Panel 3:
>> (young man looks shocked, wizard looks stern)
>> young man: What??? I can't afford that! I thought this would just take a
>> couple of minutes!
>> wizard: Well what do you think this is? Computer programming???
>>
>
> So why don't you draw that? creating comics has been done
> before in this group.
>
If he could draw, he wouldn't be doing POV-Ray? lol Seriously though, I 
have had ideas I would have loved to do too, but I can't draw with shit, 
and 3D-ing it would have been an even bigger pain in the ass.

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void main () {

     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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"Patrick Elliott" <sel### [at] npgcablecom> wrote in message 
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> On 1/24/2011 10:32 AM, andrel wrote:
>> So why don't you draw that? creating comics has been done
>> before in this group.
>>
> If he could draw, he wouldn't be doing POV-Ray? lol Seriously though, I 
> have had ideas I would have loved to do too, but I can't draw with shit, 
> and 3D-ing it would have been an even bigger pain in the ass.
>

Bingo.  My 12-year old daughter can now draw much better than I ever could.

Maybe I could do it in the style of xkcd, tho.  Or heck, just send him the 
comic.  LOL

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