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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Firebug
Date: 27 Oct 2010 17:41:35
Message: <4cc89c8f$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I suspect that the open source model can work  

Or for software developed for use by developers (i.e., compilers, editors, 
etc) or software developed by companies that sell software-complements, like 
hardware. OpenOffice didn't show up because programmers wanted to write an 
office suite. OpenOffice showed up because Sun wanted to sell SPARCstations 
and couldn't without having MS Office on them.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Serving Suggestion:
     "Don't serve this any more. It's awful."


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Firebug
Date: 28 Oct 2010 01:26:18
Message: <4cc9097a$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:41:35 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> OpenOffice showed up because Sun wanted to sell SPARCstations and
> couldn't without having MS Office on them.

Well, OpenOffice was previously StarOffice, made by the company 
StarDivision.  It was originally closed-source and cross-platform.  Sun 
bought StarDivision, but Sun certainly didn't start the OpenOffice 
product.

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Firebug
Date: 28 Oct 2010 04:10:04
Message: <4cc92fdc$1@news.povray.org>
On 28/10/2010 06:26 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:41:35 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>
>> OpenOffice showed up because Sun wanted to sell SPARCstations and
>> couldn't without having MS Office on them.
>
> Well, OpenOffice was previously StarOffice, made by the company
> StarDivision.  It was originally closed-source and cross-platform.  Sun
> bought StarDivision, but Sun certainly didn't start the OpenOffice
> product.

Sun? Heh. I'm still getting used to the fact that now when I install 
OpenOffice, it was Oracle plastered all over it. (I'm pretty sure under 
Sun the corporate branding was much less in-your-face. Also, the colour 
scheme was nicer. Oracle has given it a kind of blank-white look, like 
they didn't finish it or something...)


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Firebug
Date: 28 Oct 2010 10:20:48
Message: <4cc986c0@news.povray.org>
On 10/27/2010 7:50 AM, Invisible wrote:

> "Patches welcome."

<rips a square of canvas> Here's your patch ;P
-- 
~Mike


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Firebug
Date: 28 Oct 2010 11:40:16
Message: <4cc99960$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:10:09 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> On 28/10/2010 06:26 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:41:35 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>>
>>> OpenOffice showed up because Sun wanted to sell SPARCstations and
>>> couldn't without having MS Office on them.
>>
>> Well, OpenOffice was previously StarOffice, made by the company
>> StarDivision.  It was originally closed-source and cross-platform.  Sun
>> bought StarDivision, but Sun certainly didn't start the OpenOffice
>> product.
> 
> Sun? Heh. I'm still getting used to the fact that now when I install
> OpenOffice, it was Oracle plastered all over it. (I'm pretty sure under
> Sun the corporate branding was much less in-your-face. Also, the colour
> scheme was nicer. Oracle has given it a kind of blank-white look, like
> they didn't finish it or something...)

That's one reason I use the Novell edition. :-)

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Firebug
Date: 28 Oct 2010 11:47:54
Message: <4cc99b2a$1@news.povray.org>
>> Sun? Heh. I'm still getting used to the fact that now when I install
>> OpenOffice, it was Oracle plastered all over it. (I'm pretty sure under
>> Sun the corporate branding was much less in-your-face. Also, the colour
>> scheme was nicer. Oracle has given it a kind of blank-white look, like
>> they didn't finish it or something...)
>
> That's one reason I use the Novell edition. :-)

Actually, come to think of it, I'm still getting used to the fact that a 
huge, highly successful company like Sun somehow got bought by a much 
smaller company like Oracle. You wouldn't have thought they could do that...


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Firebug
Date: 28 Oct 2010 13:35:42
Message: <4cc9b46e$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> Sun bought StarDivision, but Sun certainly didn't start the OpenOffice 
> product.

No, but they open-sourced it.  I.e., it wasn't free software, it was 
commercial software that turned into libre software.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Serving Suggestion:
     "Don't serve this any more. It's awful."


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Firebug
Date: 28 Oct 2010 15:42:05
Message: <4cc9d20d$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:35:41 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Sun bought StarDivision, but Sun certainly didn't start the OpenOffice
>> product.
> 
> No, but they open-sourced it.  I.e., it wasn't free software, it was
> commercial software that turned into libre software.

True, I had forgotten that part of the process - StarOffice and 
OpenOffice coexisted for a while and it's been 10 years.... :-)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Firebug
Date: 28 Oct 2010 15:43:04
Message: <4cc9d248$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:47:54 +0100, Invisible wrote:

>>> Sun? Heh. I'm still getting used to the fact that now when I install
>>> OpenOffice, it was Oracle plastered all over it. (I'm pretty sure
>>> under Sun the corporate branding was much less in-your-face. Also, the
>>> colour scheme was nicer. Oracle has given it a kind of blank-white
>>> look, like they didn't finish it or something...)
>>
>> That's one reason I use the Novell edition. :-)
> 
> Actually, come to think of it, I'm still getting used to the fact that a
> huge, highly successful company like Sun somehow got bought by a much
> smaller company like Oracle. You wouldn't have thought they could do
> that...

It happens all the time.  I worked in the food & drug retail industry 
before coming to Novell, and the company I worked for was acquired by a 
smaller company (both were in the Fortune 50, though).

Jim


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