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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> Incidentally, this is probably why I had so much trouble learning to
> read and write. I kept expecting it to be logical, and it isn't. That
> really upset me.
I don't know if you've ever tried, but it sounds like you might find learning
another language easier than you think. Easier than english, perhaps!
> Oh, I'm not seriously suggesting that that's all you need to know to
> speak French. ;-) It just seems that the French use a lot of consonants
> that don't appear to do anything.
There are more silent consonants than in English. But the rules are simpler :)
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> In fact, most european languages have very well-defined and predictable
> pronounciation rules. If you see an unfamiliar word, you might not know
> what it
> means but you can always pronounce it correctly.
Also it works the other way too, if you hear a word you don't know, you can
usually spell it correctly.
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"scott" <sco### [at] scott com> wrote:
> > In fact, most european languages have very well-defined and predictable
> > pronounciation rules. If you see an unfamiliar word, you might not know
> > what it
> > means but you can always pronounce it correctly.
>
> Also it works the other way too, if you hear a word you don't know, you can
> usually spell it correctly.
Indeed. I'm not great at french, but I'm just good enough to separate and
visualise (and therefore spell) unfamiliar words some of the time. Should really
try to practice it more... :)
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Invisible wrote:
> Or, more exactly, three quarters of all European languages are Latin. ;-)
I don't think German is, tho. German isn't a romance language.
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4c3c51e4$1@news.povray.org...
>>> (For French, it seems that the rule is, approximately, "ignore all
>>> consonants and just emit a series of slightly varying vowels".)
>>
>> Gosh.
>>
>> You really need listen more French...
>
> Only if you assert that being able to speak French is important. ;-)
>
> (For example, "le roi est mort, vive le roi" appears to be rendered
> approximately as "le wu e mo veev le wu". In other words, almost all the
> consonants removed. Kind of like anti-unix or something...)
Just because you can't pronounce a french "r" does not mean that it is
removed :)
How do you pronounce "la Roja" in spanish (you must have heard it on media
last days)
Marc (with a R)
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>> Or, more exactly, three quarters of all European languages are Latin. ;-)
>
> I don't think German is, tho. German isn't a romance language.
No, it's more of an engineering language. Italian, apparently, is the
language of love. ;-)
(Yes, I know, I know!)
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M_a_r_c wrote:
>> (For example, "le roi est mort, vive le roi" appears to be rendered
>> approximately as "le wu e mo veev le wu". In other words, almost all the
>> consonants removed. Kind of like anti-unix or something...)
> Just because you can't pronounce a french "r" does not mean that it is
> removed :)
Oh, *I* can't pronounce French at all! ;-)
I'm going by the pronounciation of Sandra Cretu.
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Am Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:26:55 +0100 schrieb Orchid XP v8:
>>> Except that it's impossible to pronounce that.
>>
>> It is possible! In german we have words such as
>>
>> Knopf, Knall, knistern, Knüller
>
> Yeah, but I would imagine that the pronounciation rules for German are
> radically different to English anyway.
Well yes and no... the language borders are not so sharp as one might
think. Andrel might disagree on this, but I find the northern german
dialects closer to dutch than to the bavarian dialects of german for
example. And I found the "scottish english" closer to how a german would
pronounce english than the "english english" or whatever you call it ;).
>
> In Welsh there are words that contain no vowels at all. (Then again,
> have you ever heard those people "speak"?)
Unfortunately not that I remember... I'm trying to learn polish, which is
sometimes already a challenge for a german tongue :).
>
>> If you want, I could provide audio samples to prove that both k and n
>> are pronounced without vowel between them in this cases (although I
>> guess you could argue, that it froms a new consonant although I would
>> disagree)
>
> I believe I still have an MP3 file on my PC featuring your voice gently
> utterly "Lieblich Gedackt"...
Oh hey you remember :). I'm mostly lurking around here, so I'm slightly
surprised :).
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>> I believe I still have an MP3 file on my PC featuring your voice gently
>> utterly "Lieblich Gedackt"...
>
> Oh hey you remember :). I'm mostly lurking around here, so I'm slightly
> surprised :).
Everywhere I go, it seems that *everybody* knows me (even if I don't
know anybody else)...
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On 7/14/2010 3:10 AM, Invisible wrote:
> Everywhere I go, it seems that *everybody* knows me (even if I don't
> know anybody else)...
Fame is a cruel mistress.... :)
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~Mike
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