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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Boundless talent
Date: 5 Jul 2010 17:20:11
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http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/index.html

Check this lot out...

Damn, I wish to hell I had the skill to just casually doodle stuff like 
that whenever I wanted. :-P

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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Boundless talent
Date: 5 Jul 2010 17:49:29
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Am 05.07.2010 23:20, schrieb Orchid XP v8:

> Damn, I wish to hell I had the skill to just casually doodle stuff like
> that whenever I wanted. :-P

That guy probably sucks at Haskell though, and maybe can't tell the 
black keys from the white ones on an organ ;-)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Boundless talent
Date: 5 Jul 2010 22:01:02
Message: <4c328e5e$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:20:09 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/index.html
> 
> Check this lot out...
> 
> Damn, I wish to hell I had the skill to just casually doodle stuff like
> that whenever I wanted. :-P

What says that this was casually doodled?  It could well be that it came 
with decades of training and that each panel took hours of work to 
complete.  AFAIK, you have no way of knowing that it was sketched 
casually nor in a relatively short period of time.

Or do you know the artist?

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Boundless talent
Date: 6 Jul 2010 02:32:05
Message: <4c32cde5$1@news.povray.org>
>> Damn, I wish to hell I had the skill to just casually doodle stuff like
>> that whenever I wanted. :-P
> 
> That guy probably sucks at Haskell though, and maybe can't tell the 
> black keys from the white ones on an organ ;-)

Oddly enough, many organs have the black keys and the white keys swapped 
- as do many historic harpsichords. Apparently the "original" 
arrangement for a keyboard was to have black for the natural notes. The 
modern convention for using white developed later.

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Boundless talent
Date: 6 Jul 2010 02:32:49
Message: <4c32ce11$1@news.povray.org>
> What says that this was casually doodled?

Nothing concrete. On the other hand, the frequency with which these 
things appear suggests that it can't be a 2,000 hour masterpiece...

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Boundless talent
Date: 6 Jul 2010 15:33:52
Message: <4c338520$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 07:32:48 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>> What says that this was casually doodled?
> 
> Nothing concrete. On the other hand, the frequency with which these
> things appear suggests that it can't be a 2,000 hour masterpiece...

Some artists struggle but persevere, others do have a natural 
knack....And many have to be trained.

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Boundless talent
Date: 6 Jul 2010 15:57:46
Message: <4c338aba$1@news.povray.org>
>>> What says that this was casually doodled?
>> Nothing concrete. On the other hand, the frequency with which these
>> things appear suggests that it can't be a 2,000 hour masterpiece...
> 
> Some artists struggle but persevere, others do have a natural 
> knack....And many have to be trained.

Well, these guys do work for Valve Corporation, so...

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Boundless talent
Date: 7 Jul 2010 12:02:01
Message: <4c34a4f9$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:57:43 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>>> What says that this was casually doodled?
>>> Nothing concrete. On the other hand, the frequency with which these
>>> things appear suggests that it can't be a 2,000 hour masterpiece...
>> 
>> Some artists struggle but persevere, others do have a natural
>> knack....And many have to be trained.
> 
> Well, these guys do work for Valve Corporation, so...

So they may actually have spent years learning how to draw. ;-)

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Boundless talent
Date: 7 Jul 2010 13:32:23
Message: <4c34ba27@news.povray.org>
>>> Some artists struggle but persevere, others do have a natural
>>> knack....And many have to be trained.
>> Well, these guys do work for Valve Corporation, so...
> 
> So they may actually have spent years learning how to draw. ;-)

I spent a whole year "learning to draw". As far as I can tell, I learned 
absolutely nothing. (The book didn't really help either...)

Actually, no, that's not quite true. I learned why drawing is even hard 
in the first place: because humans see things as 3D objects, not 2D 
figures. And that means that when you try to copy something, you take 
the 2D image, mentally convert it to 3D, and then try to convert back to 
2D by hand... which doesn't work at all. The solution is to directly 
draw what the eye sees, not what the mind interprets.

Of course, I still have *no frickin' clue* how to do that.

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Boundless talent
Date: 7 Jul 2010 13:53:55
Message: <4c34bf33$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:32:19 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>>> Some artists struggle but persevere, others do have a natural
>>>> knack....And many have to be trained.
>>> Well, these guys do work for Valve Corporation, so...
>> 
>> So they may actually have spent years learning how to draw. ;-)
> 
> I spent a whole year "learning to draw". As far as I can tell, I learned
> absolutely nothing. (The book didn't really help either...)
> 
> Actually, no, that's not quite true. I learned why drawing is even hard
> in the first place: because humans see things as 3D objects, not 2D
> figures. And that means that when you try to copy something, you take
> the 2D image, mentally convert it to 3D, and then try to convert back to
> 2D by hand... which doesn't work at all. The solution is to directly
> draw what the eye sees, not what the mind interprets.
> 
> Of course, I still have *no frickin' clue* how to do that.

I've spent the occasional time trying to learn to draw as well.  There's 
a difference between taking one class and spending *years* honing a 
skill.  Itzhak Perlman, for example, is a world-class violinist.  You 
don't seriously think he doesn't spend several hours a day practicing, 
but just gets up on stage and performs without any preparation at all, 
even with his decades of experience, do you?

Jim

Jim


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