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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: I unofficially declare sci-fi movie genre officially dead
Date: 19 Jun 2010 15:16:08
Message: <4c1d1778$1@news.povray.org>
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:53:34 -0600, somebody wrote:
> I don't need to pepper my prose with "I like"s and "I dislike"s and "I
> prefer"s
> and "I think"s to feel secure.
I don't think it's a question of one feeling secure; I think it's a
question of differentiating between facts and opinions.
YMMV, of course.
Jim
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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: I unofficially declare sci-fi movie genre officially dead
Date: 21 Jun 2010 17:09:54
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SharkD wrote:
> On 6/18/2010 7:56 PM, John VanSickle wrote:
>> There are some who distinguish between sci-fi and science fiction.
>>
>> Science fiction is reserved for those tales in which the author both
>> believes that the science in the story is possible, and is also
>> technically competent enough to know what is possible and what is not.
>
> I thought the distinction was based on literary/artistic merit alone?
> I.e. not on the quality of the "science".
That's a bit too open to debate (and certainly more open to debate than
the fidelity of the science) to be much use in making distinctions.
Regards,
John
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: I unofficially declare sci-fi movie genre officially dead
Date: 24 Jun 2010 15:42:22
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Neeum Zawan <fee### [at] fester com> wrote:
> And if you want a really poor movie from an SF perspective, go and watch
> District 9.
I'm beginning to think that there are *no* good sci-fi movies in existence.
Every time a sci-fi movie comes out, somebody will complain and point
out how ludicrous some detail about it is, hence making it nothing but a
caricature of "good" sci-fi. I don't think there exists any movie which
would be considered "good" in this regard.
This makes me wonder what these people are comparing the movies to.
Nothing, I suppose. Some vapid imaginary concept they have about what
a "good" sci-fi movie should be like.
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- Warp
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: I unofficially declare sci-fi movie genre officially dead
Date: 24 Jun 2010 15:46:47
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Warp wrote:
> Every time a sci-fi movie comes out, somebody will complain and point
> out how ludicrous some detail about it is, hence making it nothing but a
> caricature of "good" sci-fi. I don't think there exists any movie which
> would be considered "good" in this regard.
Galaxy Quest! :-)
Total Recall? (Confusions easy to brush off, as that was the point of the
movie.)
Alien? (I never really heard any defensible complaints about it.)
> This makes me wonder what these people are comparing the movies to.
Books?
I'm trying to think of a (hard-ish) sci-fi movie that was as good an
adaption of the book as (say) Harry Potter was.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: I unofficially declare sci-fi movie genre officially dead
Date: 24 Jun 2010 15:50:34
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
> Alien? (I never really heard any defensible complaints about it.)
Don't ask me. I'm not the one claiming certain popular sci-fi movies being
bad...
> > This makes me wonder what these people are comparing the movies to.
> Books?
> I'm trying to think of a (hard-ish) sci-fi movie that was as good an
> adaption of the book as (say) Harry Potter was.
Well, that assumes that the book itself can be considered good sci-fi
in the first place... :P
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: I unofficially declare sci-fi movie genre officially dead
Date: 24 Jun 2010 16:04:35
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On 24/06/2010 8:42 PM, Warp wrote:
> I'm beginning to think that there are*no* good sci-fi movies in existence.
>
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Best Regards,
Stephen
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: I unofficially declare sci-fi movie genre officially dead
Date: 24 Jun 2010 16:05:34
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On 24/06/2010 8:46 PM, Darren New wrote:
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> Alien? (I never really heard any defensible complaints about it.)
How about I fell asleep before it finished?
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Best Regards,
Stephen
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: I unofficially declare sci-fi movie genre officially dead
Date: 24 Jun 2010 16:18:56
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Warp wrote:
> Well, that assumes that the book itself can be considered good sci-fi
> in the first place... :P
Well, sure. Obviously, there are some books that *are* considered good
sci-fi, at least by a large number of readers. There are even books that I'd
consider good sci-fi but which I personally didn't enjoy.
But many of the complaints I hear about "hard" science fiction, like
complaints about Blade Runner for example, are along the lines of "that
wasn't the same story as the book." Not that there was anything
particularly wrong with the story as told, but only that it didn't meet the
expectations set by the book.
Of course, some complaints are completely valid. Like "why didn't the
department of pre-corrections turn off the eyeball access granted to the
fugitive murderer that used to be allowed in?" in Minority Report. A movie
which, I'll grant, was nothing at all like the book, and indeed completely
missed the entire point of the actual book story.
Didn't they make a Farenheit 451 movie? Was that any good? Or an Illustrated
Man movie?
There are huge numbers of "good" science fiction books that could be made
into decently good movies nowadays. Even some decent sci-fi I've read that
you could make suspenseful and all that good stuff without a huge budget.
What I want to know is why virtually every monster movie is zombies,
vampires, or werewolves? With maybe an occasional killer robot or black
lagoon creature thrown in. Can't a horror writer come up with a decent
original monster?
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: I unofficially declare sci-fi movie genre officially dead
Date: 24 Jun 2010 16:43:00
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:05:39 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 24/06/2010 8:46 PM, Darren New wrote:
>>
>> Alien? (I never really heard any defensible complaints about it.)
>
> How about I fell asleep before it finished?
I thought the second was better than the first, but I think the first
could be counted as better Sci Fi.
Falling asleep doesn't mean it's bad Sci Fi, though - I fell asleep
during Amadeus the first time I watched it, but it was still a good
film. :-)
Jim
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: I unofficially declare sci-fi movie genre officially dead
Date: 24 Jun 2010 16:46:51
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> I thought the second was better than the first, but I think the first
> could be counted as better Sci Fi.
I don't know why people really thought that. There are few movies where the
sequel is as good as the original, and I'll grant Aliens held its own. But I
didn't like it as much as Alien. Perhaps it was just because I was at the
right age for Alien and too cynical by the time Aliens came out or something.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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