"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> Today, I had an idea. I could set my video camera up on the drive way,
> film myself dancing to my favourit music, and post the results on YouTube.
>
> You immediately see the problem with this, don't you? Yes, that's right:
> the minor detail of "copywrite infringement".
>
> OK, so a bunch of guys spent ages making this music. I respect that. But
> the thing is, it's not like I can *ask* for permission. "The copyright
> to this recording is owned by EMI Records Ltd." Uh, yeah, right. And if
> I write to EMI Records Ltd (assuming I can even find a postal address),
> what are the chances of ever getting a reply, never mind a reply in the
> affirmative?
>
> Now obviously it's their property and if they don't want me to use it,
> they have the right to do that. It's not like I have the God-given right
> to distribute their stuff just because it's convinient to me. It's just
> frustrating, that's all.

Welcome to society. We have these things called rules, regulations and laws
that basically say that not everything convenient or desirable for an
individual is without consequences. See, I find it convenient to walk around
naked in the mall, drive while talking on my cell phone, smoke on a bus...
etc, and I find it frustrating that these actions are not without
consequences. There are probably tens of thousands of such things that you
cannot realistically expect to be able to do without facing the
consequences. Why are you particularly frustrated with IP laws and not all
the others?

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somebody wrote:

> Why are you particularly frustrated with IP laws and not all the others?

I'm frustrated not so much that I can't use copyrighted material without 
permission, but rather than it's not possible to *ask* for permission.

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> I'm frustrated not so much that I can't use copyrighted material without 
> permission, but rather than it's not possible to *ask* for permission.

Of course it's possible to ask for permission, even if you are a tiny local 
radio station you can get permission to play songs to the public.

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scott wrote:
>> I'm frustrated not so much that I can't use copyrighted material 
>> without permission, but rather than it's not possible to *ask* for 
>> permission.
> 
> Of course it's possible to ask for permission, even if you are a tiny 
> local radio station you can get permission to play songs to the public.

After a whole heap of digging, I discovered that the way to do this 
(apparently) is to apply for a license from a fee collection agency. 
Looking at the prices they're talking about, it boggles my mind that a 
"tiny local radio station" can even come close to affording it. But more 
importantly, a UK license only applies to the UK, so you can't use it on 
the Internet unless you can prove that distribution is limited to UK 
residents (which it isn't, in this case). So that's still no help.

It does, however, explain how coffee shops manage to play music and not 
get sued out of existence. I've always wondered about that...

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 15:32:23 -0400, Warp wrote:

> > Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> >> And the solution is/may be "fair use".
> > 
> >   There's no such a thing from the point of view of the music industry.

> The music industry doesn't matter; that's in US copyright law, and the 
> law is ultimately what matters.

  RIAA and other companies couldn't care less what the US copyright law
says about fair use.

> >   When they threaten to sue you, or even send you a payment claim
> >   outright,
> > are you going to fight? I don't think so.

> They threaten to sue, take the video down.  It's not like they're suing 
> everyone who uses copyrighted music on YouTube, otherwise there'd be a 
> hell of a lot less content up there.

  Have you followed what Viacom has been doing to youtube videos lately?

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                                                          - Warp

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On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:43:46 -0400, Warp wrote:

>> The music industry doesn't matter; that's in US copyright law, and the
>> law is ultimately what matters.
> 
>   RIAA and other companies couldn't care less what the US copyright law
> says about fair use.

It doesn't matter if they care or not - it's the damned law that matters.

>> They threaten to sue, take the video down.  It's not like they're suing
>> everyone who uses copyrighted music on YouTube, otherwise there'd be a
>> hell of a lot less content up there.
> 
>   Have you followed what Viacom has been doing to youtube videos lately?

Yes.

Jim

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
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> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > And the solution is/may be "fair use".

>   There's no such a thing from the point of view of the music industry.
>
>   When they threaten to sue you, or even send you a payment claim
outright,
> are you going to fight? I don't think so.

Well, that's because 99.999% of those being threatened have no legal leg to
stand on. When you consider the amount and extent of infringement, I would
say the media companies are beeing extremely nice about the whole thing by
even offering such settlements that amount to minor slaps on the wrist.

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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
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> But do whatever you want - if you think it's too risky, then don't.

Well, that would be the best advice and the common sense that's all too
uncommon. Why do people insist on doing things that they know they should
not be doing? Yes, it would be great to do X, but X has consequences Y, and
if Benefit(X)+Benefit(Y)<0 then I'm not going to do X. Simple. AFAIK, nobody
forces anybody to post copyrighted material to YouTube.

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somebody wrote:
> Simple. AFAIK, nobodyforces anybody to post copyrighted material to YouTube.

And I have no intension of doing so until I get written permission.

The question is... is it physically possible to get that permission?

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:19:22 -0600, somebody wrote:

>  I
> would say the media companies are beeing extremely nice about the whole
> thing

I wouldn't have expected any less from *you*, after all, you've made your 
position clear on several occasions.  I'm just surprised it took you so 
long to say so in this thread.

Jim

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