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scott wrote:
> Thing is, you can get that question wrong and never drive on a motorway,
> let alone have these things explained to you, then you get your full
> driving license. It's no wonder so many people get it wrong.
They say that air travel is statically the safest way to travel. And it
is! Think about it: Any random weirdo can apply and get a provisional
driving license and go drive around (theoretically with a qualified
driver supervising them) the same day. WTF is *that* about??
By contrast, becoming a commercial aviation pilot takes years. And there
has to be two of you. And the entire plane undergoes regular mechanical
checks. (Theoretically you're supposed to check your tires every time
your drive your car. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO THIS??) And you've got air
traffic control directing you. And... get the picture?
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scott wrote:
> which I guess is around a 4 second gap.
Four seconds *is* tailgating at any speed where you're worried about going
faster.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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scott wrote:
> you're stuck behind one of these people there isn't much you can do,
Look ahead, recognise it, fall back before you even get to the ramp, and let
the bozo get into traffic before you hit the gas yourself to get up to speed.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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Invisible wrote:
> Extra fun: Some guy is doing 65 MPH, so you go to overtake. But as soon
> as you do this, the driver wakes up and decies to speed up. And no
> matter how fast you go, you can't get past.
Yep. Or on a road with restricted passing, and going uphill you can't pass
but going downhill you can, and the bozo decides he'll just press the pedal
the same regardless of how steep a hill he's going up or down.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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>> you're stuck behind one of these people there isn't much you can do,
>
> Look ahead, recognise it, fall back before you even get to the ramp, and
> let the bozo get into traffic before you hit the gas yourself to get up to
> speed.
The problem is on this particular on-ramp there is quite a sharp corner
right before it, where the normal speed is about 50-60, so at this point I
had no idea the person wasn't going to accelerate out of the corner as
usual.
But yes, I try to use that method whenever possible.
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scott wrote:
> The problem is on this particular on-ramp there is quite a sharp corner
> right before it, where the normal speed is about 50-60, so at this point
> I had no idea the person wasn't going to accelerate out of the corner as
> usual.
Yep, we have that here too. And it's uphill, and a blind curve (well, blind
given it's a 70MPH expressway) for the people not merging, and the merge
length is only a few car lengths, and there's an exit right after that
people on the expressway are angling towards too.
I've learned to watch the goobers even before getting to the ramp, and I've
learned to hang back anyway in case. But I try to avoid that ramp when I
have a choice, too, just because it's so poorly engineered.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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On 6/7/2010 4:26 AM, scott wrote:
> (Note left/right here is for driving on the right, for driving on the
> left countries reverse the left/rights).
>
> Here we have two important rules for multi-lane roads, one is that you
> should only move out to the left to overtake someone, and secondly you
> are not allowed to pass anyone on the right side (there are some
> exceptions for queues etc). I know it's not like this in all countries.
>
> As anyone who has driven probably knows already, the problem comes when
> someone stays in the left lane when they are not overtaking anyone and
> you want to go faster than them. What are you meant to do if you are
> behind them in this situation? What if you are directly behind in the
> same lane, or what if you approach them in the right lane?
>
> What do you do?
>
I typically give the left lane drive plenty of room - I do not like to
tailgate. Then when I see they have lost and lots of room to move over
I will creep up slightly and if the do not move over I will flash my
lights. Usually that works without trouble. If they still do not move
over I will move over and undertake - tho I loathe doing it - but at
times there is little other choice.
I am frustrated by people who immediately try to undertake at the
earliest opportunity - I will get out of their way, when it is safe to
move over where I am not too close to the car I just passed.
Those who drive in the undertaking lane are causing a traffic hazard. I
find it ironic that a lot of them think they are making things safer -
"I am going fast enough and anyone who passes is an idiot that is going
to cause an accident." Yet they do not realize that they themselves are
causing that 'idiot' to make risky moves that can endanger lives of
everyone around.
My philosophy is to respect all other drivers on the road. Give them
plenty of room and move out of their way when practical and safe. I
don't care how fast someone drives - it's just how they drive and react
to others on the road.
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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Lane hoggers - how to deal with them?
Date: 7 Jun 2010 12:49:47
Message: <4c0d232b@news.povray.org>
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scott wrote:
> should only move out to the left to overtake someone,
Are you sure? About the 'only', I mean. New York State Law does say
that the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in
favor of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal, 'except when
overtaking and passing on the right is permitted' (which it probably is
in the situations you are describing)
and secondly you
> are not allowed to pass anyone on the right side (there are some
> exceptions for queues etc).
In NY traffic Law the notion of 'safely' comes into it. So if you
cannot pass to the right 'safely' then you cannot do it. But in
general, if there are two or more unobstructed traffic lanes in the same
direction, you are allowed to pass on the right. (Got a copy of Vehicle
& Traffic Law for State of New York right in front of my eyes here, it's
Section 1123)
>
> As anyone who has driven probably knows already, the problem comes when
> someone stays in the left lane when they are not overtaking anyone and
> you want to go faster than them. What are you meant to do if you are
> behind them in this situation? What if you are directly behind in the
> same lane, or what if you approach them in the right lane?
>
> I always wanted to ask someone in authority this question as appears
> there is no perfect option.
>
> For me I usually wait around 5 seconds behind them in the same lane,
> then usually pull over to the right lane and wait there for a further
> 5-10 seconds leaving them plenty of space to pull over if they want. If
> they still do not move then I usually accelerate and swiftly pass on the
> right being ready to move over into the hard shoulder if they suddenly
> decide to change lanes.
>
> My girlfriend says that I should flash them and not overtake on the
> right, but IME this is easily interpretted as quite aggressive behaviour
> and could lead to more problems (eg them still not moving over or even
> worse deliberate braking or other aggressive behaviour).
>
> What do you do?
>
>
I would pass safely to the right unless I really needed that lane to
exit or turn, in which case I would just follow the other car. Which
brings up something you haven't factored in. Certainly around metro NY
multi-lane roadways are complex to the point where drivers cannot assume
that the left lane will function solely as a passing lane for any great
distance. You constantly have traffic entering or exiting the roadway
from the left, and navigating here is often about lane choice well in
advance of a maneuver you want to make.
In the hyper-pressurized driving conditions around NYC one common
practice is to give a soft waring toot before passing, if the
circumstance seems a little unconventional, (ie. to the right in some
situations,) or potentially dangerous in some way.
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you can read Section 1123 here:
http://ypdcrime.com/vt/article25.htm
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lane hoggers - how to deal with them?
Date: 7 Jun 2010 13:28:26
Message: <4c0d2c3a@news.povray.org>
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 12:30:47 -0400, Tom Austin wrote:
> Those who drive in the undertaking lane are causing a traffic hazard.
I've found this thread quite interesting; I learned that one should never
undertake (never heard it called that before; "pass on the right" is how
it was explained to me), and so I try to avoid doing that myself.
I agree with your philosophy, though, and I wish more people held that
idea. When driving a ton or more of metal at 65+ MPH on the freeway, a
little respect goes a long ways towards saving lives.
Jim
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