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Are you the same person you were as a baby? If so, does that mean you are
the only person you could possibly have been? If not, when did you become
who you are?
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
you literally shooting yourself in the foot.
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On 10/05/2010 23:14, Darren New wrote:
> Are you the same person you were as a baby?
no
> If so, does that mean you are the only person you could possibly have been?
"What happened happened and couldn't have happened any other way"
> If not, when did you become who you are?
Everyone changes every second. It took your entire life to become who
you are now. Your question, therefor, is irrelevant.
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Zeger Knaepen <zeg### [at] povplace com> wrote:
> On 10/05/2010 23:14, Darren New wrote:
> > Are you the same person you were as a baby?
>
> no
>
> > If so, does that mean you are the only person you could possibly have been?
>
> "What happened happened and couldn't have happened any other way"
>
> > If not, when did you become who you are?
>
> Everyone changes every second. It took your entire life to become who
> you are now. Your question, therefor, is irrelevant.
sounds like it's either a knock-out or round two should come quick... :)
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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
news:4be8773c$1@news.povray.org...
> Are you the same person you were as a baby? If so, does that mean you are
> the only person you could possibly have been? If not, when did you become
> who you are?
The answer is always "just a moment ago".
But, are we justified in expecting "sameness" to even be transitive? Look a
white sheet of paper and at one that's imperceptibly darker. They will
presumably trigger the same neurological response. Then switch the pure
white with one that's imperceptibly darker than the darker one, and repeat
until you end up with black. Does this mean a white sheet triggers the same
reponse as a black one, or that they are operationally the "same"?
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Zeger Knaepen wrote:
> On 10/05/2010 23:14, Darren New wrote:
>> Are you the same person you were as a baby?
>
> no
Yet, oddly enough, you present your birth certificate as proof of identity.
When people ask you where you were born, you don't say "right in this seat,
just a moment ago."
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
you literally shooting yourself in the foot.
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> Are you the same person you were as a baby?
It seems that in general speech we use "same person" to mean different
things:
"He wasn't the same person after his accident."
"Is that the same person there that stole the clothes last week?"
So depending on which one you mean, the answer could be yes or no.
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Darren New wrote:
> Are you the same person you were as a baby? If so, does that mean you
> are the only person you could possibly have been? If not, when did you
> become who you are?
A philosopher once asked "Are we human because we gaze at the stars? Or
do we gaze at them because we are human?" Pointless, really...
...but do the stars gaze back? Now *that* is a question. But I'm getting
ahead of myself...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 11-5-2010 6:13, Darren New wrote:
> Zeger Knaepen wrote:
>> On 10/05/2010 23:14, Darren New wrote:
>>> Are you the same person you were as a baby?
>>
>> no
>
> Yet, oddly enough, you present your birth certificate as proof of identity.
No we have passports and ID cards for that. I can not remember ever to
have needed a birth certificate. The only information that that contains
is where and when somebody with my name was born. That is also in our
city's basic administration.
Seems like another round where only USAsians and civilians of countries
with equal defective administrations can enter. ;)
> When people ask you where you were born, you don't say "right in this
> seat, just a moment ago."
Please define "person" and "you" (or "me").
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andrel wrote:
> No we have passports and ID cards for that.
And what do you show to get your first passport or ID card?
> Seems like another round where only USAsians and civilians of countries
> with equal defective administrations can enter. ;)
When did you get your first ID card? And how?
>> When people ask you where you were born, you don't say "right in this
>> seat, just a moment ago."
>
> Please define "person" and "you" (or "me").
That's what I'm getting at.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
you literally shooting yourself in the foot.
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scott wrote:
>> Are you the same person you were as a baby?
>
> It seems that in general speech we use "same person" to mean different
> things:
>
> "He wasn't the same person after his accident."
That would be round two. ;-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
you literally shooting yourself in the foot.
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