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On Tue, 04 May 2010 12:14:40 +0200, clipka <ano### [at] anonymous org> wrote:
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> MS Visual Studio 2010:
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Am 04.05.2010 15:56, schrieb Fredrik Eriksson:
> On Tue, 04 May 2010 12:14:40 +0200, clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
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>> MS Visual Studio 2010:
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Not exactly. While there are "Express" editions of the individual
languages (e.g. Visual C++ Express, Visual C# Express, etc.) there is no
such thing as a "MS Visual Studio 2010 Express edition", unless I'm
grossly mistaken.
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On Tue, 04 May 2010 16:19:06 +0200, clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
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> Not exactly. While there are "Express" editions of the individual
> languages (e.g. Visual C++ Express, Visual C# Express, etc.) there is no
> such thing as a "MS Visual Studio 2010 Express edition", unless I'm
> grossly mistaken.
While you can download each separately, you can also get them all as one
big ISO image. I would say that counts as an "edition". The fact that you
then launch each application separately is irrelevant; the same applies to
e.g. Adobe's Creative Suite.
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On Tue, 04 May 2010 11:20:04 +0100, Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> And lo On Mon, 03 May 2010 23:02:50 +0100, Jim Henderson
> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake thusly:
>
>> On Mon, 03 May 2010 22:24:03 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
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>>>>> the
>>>>> thing I can't figure out is how a normal human manages to get near a
>>>>> copy of Photoshop in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> £361.58 on buy.com.
>>>
>>> I thought it was a lot more than that. Hmm, maybe I'm thinking of the
>>> whole "creative suite" rather than just Photoshop.
>>
>> That was the pricing on Creative Suite 4. Photoshop on its own is less
>> expensive - I figured you were thinking of the most expensive option,
>> so that's what I looked for (the most expensive version of Photoshop I
>> could find).
>
> That's not the upgrade price is it? The UK price for the cheapest CS4 is
> £620 on buy.com. Amazon are selling PS CS5 at £644.
No, but I priced it on the US buy.com site and converted the cost. I
didn't look for CS5.
>> That's frequently the case for users of Adobe Photoshop as well -
>> especially CS: The people who tend to use it are the pros, not the
>> hobbiest user.
>
> And that's part of the justification for the price tag. If you're using
> this either the company has paid for it, or you're a professional who
> needs it... or you're a student whom Adobe are trying to get hooked onto
> their software for later gains. Like so much us proles have to wait
> until the spanking new features trickle down to the affordable software
> ;-)
Yep, or use something else. :-)
Jim
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> While you can download each separately, you can also get them all as one
> big ISO image. I would say that counts as an "edition". The fact that you
> then launch each application separately is irrelevant; the same applies to
> e.g. Adobe's Creative Suite.
Are there not some issues with projects that make use of more than one
language?
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On Tue, 04 May 2010 16:57:00 +0200, scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
>> While you can download each separately, you can also get them all as
>> one big ISO image. I would say that counts as an "edition". The fact
>> that you then launch each application separately is irrelevant; the
>> same applies to e.g. Adobe's Creative Suite.
>
> Are there not some issues with projects that make use of more than one
> language?
That would be one of the features you have to pay for.
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FE
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Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> But is that because that's the UI they're used to?
Apparently not. The UI was designed to make the whole flow from beginning to
end more efficient.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Linux: Now bringing the quality and usability of
open source desktop apps to your personal electronics.
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On 5/3/2010 1:16 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> While it *is* truly amazing - to the point of being frightening - the
> thing I can't figure out is how a normal human manages to get near a
> copy of Photoshop in the first place. Last time I checked, it's
> jaw-droppingly expensive...
I have owned Photoshop since CS2... The first purchase cost less than my
first serious telephoto zoom lens :) And I'm mostly normal :)
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~Mike
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On 5/4/2010 5:43 AM, Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> And lo On Tue, 04 May 2010 11:35:47 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
> spake thusly:
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>> What *does* annoy me is software which is both expensive *and*
>> defective...
>
> and on that note I just flicked to a webcomic in which the author states
> it was the first time he'd done one entirely with CS5 and it crashed
> five times.
>
Yeah... I'm expecting an update soon. It appears to hemorrhage memory
like mad. Though it hasn't crashed. I sat down the other morning to a
very angry Windows 7 complaining that Photoshop needed to be closed to
free some memory.
I popped over to process explorer and took a look: Private Bytes: 11
Gig...
so, now I restart it occasionally while working with it. ;)
I will say with regard to hobby that Photoshop and Visual studio are
probably used pretty frequently by serious hobbyists in their respective
fields.
--
~Mike
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> I have owned Photoshop since CS2... The first purchase cost less than my
> first serious telephoto zoom lens :)
OK, those really *are* expensive!
lense to it... as if it'll be worth it!)
> And I'm mostly normal :)
You're in povray.off-topic and you seriously expect us to believe you're
*normal*?? :-P
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http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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