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>> ebuyer.com, Adobe Creative Suite 4, Complete Package, Windows: £1,502.62
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>> If that doesn't make you feel slightly dizzy, I don't know what will...
>
> Ah, that's almost affordable...
>
> MS Visual Studio 2010:
> about 1400 € for the "Professional" (= smallest!) ed.
> about 3150 € for the "Premium" ed.
> about 6650 € for the "Ultimate" ed.
Weeeeell, if you want to look at it like that...
Oracle DB, basic edition: ~£8,000
Oracle DB, enterprise edition: ~£80,000
That's without any of the options (clustering, load balancing, advanced
analytics, etc.)
Still, if you actually need the enterprise edition, £80k is peanuts to
you...
(If, on the other hand, you have no idea what the difference is and you
only bought EE because it sounds more "enterprisey", then you deserve
everything that comes to you!)
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>> That's frequently the case for users of Adobe Photoshop as well -
>> especially CS: The people who tend to use it are the pros, not the
>> hobbiest user.
>
> And that's part of the justification for the price tag. If you're using
> this either the company has paid for it, or you're a professional who
> needs it...
That I don't mind so much. For example, an Oracle DB will cost you
almost as much as a small house (!!), but then again, why the hell would
you even need it if you're only a hobbiest? It's a tad overkill just for
sorting your CD collection.
> Like so much us proles have to wait
> until the spanking new features trickle down to the affordable software ;-)
Well, these days with open-source and all, for every big commercial
application, there's at least one OSS alternative that's vaguely useable.
MS Windows => Linux, OpenBSD, NetBSD, OpenSolaris, ReactOS...
MS Office => OpenOffice
Photoshop => The GIMP
Illustrator => Inkscape
Oracle => MySQL, PostgreSQL
VMware => VirtualBox, QEMU, Bochs, Xen...
In each case [except Office], the commercial version is greatly
superior, but the free version does work. So it's a case of how badly
you need a high-quality product.
What *does* annoy me is software which is both expensive *and* defective...
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And lo On Tue, 04 May 2010 11:35:47 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> did
spake thusly:
> What *does* annoy me is software which is both expensive *and*
> defective...
and on that note I just flicked to a webcomic in which the author states
it was the first time he'd done one entirely with CS5 and it crashed five
times.
--
Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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>> What *does* annoy me is software which is both expensive *and*
>> defective...
>
> and on that note I just flicked to a webcomic in which the author states
> it was the first time he'd done one entirely with CS5 and it crashed
> five times.
Hehehe, yeah, that tickled me too. Questionable Content FTW! :-D
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On Tue, 04 May 2010 12:14:40 +0200, clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>
> MS Visual Studio 2010:
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FE
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Am 04.05.2010 15:56, schrieb Fredrik Eriksson:
> On Tue, 04 May 2010 12:14:40 +0200, clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>>
>> MS Visual Studio 2010:
>
Not exactly. While there are "Express" editions of the individual
languages (e.g. Visual C++ Express, Visual C# Express, etc.) there is no
such thing as a "MS Visual Studio 2010 Express edition", unless I'm
grossly mistaken.
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On Tue, 04 May 2010 16:19:06 +0200, clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
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> Not exactly. While there are "Express" editions of the individual
> languages (e.g. Visual C++ Express, Visual C# Express, etc.) there is no
> such thing as a "MS Visual Studio 2010 Express edition", unless I'm
> grossly mistaken.
While you can download each separately, you can also get them all as one
big ISO image. I would say that counts as an "edition". The fact that you
then launch each application separately is irrelevant; the same applies to
e.g. Adobe's Creative Suite.
--
FE
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On Tue, 04 May 2010 11:20:04 +0100, Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> And lo On Mon, 03 May 2010 23:02:50 +0100, Jim Henderson
> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake thusly:
>
>> On Mon, 03 May 2010 22:24:03 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>
>>>>> the
>>>>> thing I can't figure out is how a normal human manages to get near a
>>>>> copy of Photoshop in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> £361.58 on buy.com.
>>>
>>> I thought it was a lot more than that. Hmm, maybe I'm thinking of the
>>> whole "creative suite" rather than just Photoshop.
>>
>> That was the pricing on Creative Suite 4. Photoshop on its own is less
>> expensive - I figured you were thinking of the most expensive option,
>> so that's what I looked for (the most expensive version of Photoshop I
>> could find).
>
> That's not the upgrade price is it? The UK price for the cheapest CS4 is
> £620 on buy.com. Amazon are selling PS CS5 at £644.
No, but I priced it on the US buy.com site and converted the cost. I
didn't look for CS5.
>> That's frequently the case for users of Adobe Photoshop as well -
>> especially CS: The people who tend to use it are the pros, not the
>> hobbiest user.
>
> And that's part of the justification for the price tag. If you're using
> this either the company has paid for it, or you're a professional who
> needs it... or you're a student whom Adobe are trying to get hooked onto
> their software for later gains. Like so much us proles have to wait
> until the spanking new features trickle down to the affordable software
> ;-)
Yep, or use something else. :-)
Jim
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> While you can download each separately, you can also get them all as one
> big ISO image. I would say that counts as an "edition". The fact that you
> then launch each application separately is irrelevant; the same applies to
> e.g. Adobe's Creative Suite.
Are there not some issues with projects that make use of more than one
language?
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On Tue, 04 May 2010 16:57:00 +0200, scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
>> While you can download each separately, you can also get them all as
>> one big ISO image. I would say that counts as an "edition". The fact
>> that you then launch each application separately is irrelevant; the
>> same applies to e.g. Adobe's Creative Suite.
>
> Are there not some issues with projects that make use of more than one
> language?
That would be one of the features you have to pay for.
--
FE
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