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On 30/04/2010 12:28 PM, Doctor John wrote:
> So,
> Anybody got any better suggestions?
I hope your happy ;-)
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Stephen
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On 01/05/2010 10:49 PM, Stephen wrote:
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> I hope your happy ;-)
Ooops! I hope that you are happy (Sp)
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Am Sat, 01 May 2010 16:45:04 -0400 schrieb Warp:
> That's granting citizenship. There are explicit laws stating how one
> gets citizenship, and that's one of them. In theory the law could be
> different (ie. it doesn't automatically grant citizenship if neither
> parent has).
Actually in germany, you don't get automatic citizenship, if you are born
here and your parents are alien. You can get it (since 2000), if one of
your parents was staying legally in germany for at least 8 years and has
permission to stay forever.
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Florian Pesth wrote:
> Actually in germany, you don't get automatic citizenship,
So you have people born in Germany who aren't citizens of *any* country?
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Am Sat, 01 May 2010 15:03:49 -0700 schrieb Darren New:
> Florian Pesth wrote:
>> Actually in germany, you don't get automatic citizenship,
>
> So you have people born in Germany who aren't citizens of *any* country?
Under certain circumstances that can happen indeed. Thanks to
conservative governments still claiming that "we are not an immigration
country" we have some stupid laws. And some people can have even two
citizenships (even though they try to avoid that nowadays, by forcing
people to make a decision until they are 23).
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On 2-5-2010 0:03, Darren New wrote:
> Florian Pesth wrote:
>> Actually in germany, you don't get automatic citizenship,
Sort of the same here in the Netherlands.
You can also get it, I think, if you live here 5 years or so legally.
> So you have people born in Germany who aren't citizens of *any* country?
These things can happen, but in most cases citizenship is hereditary, so
you normally get the nationality of your parents.
Citizen rules vary wildly between countries, so it is not impossible to
have none.
You can also loose your citizenship and become stateless in that way.
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On Sat, 01 May 2010 17:49:19 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free
> and the home of the brave?
>
> No offence folks
None taken, the law in and of itself is the offensive bit.
Jim
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On Sat, 01 May 2010 13:13:57 -0400, Warp wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>> No, but the notion that you can pick someone up because they *look*
>> like an illegal immigrant (which BTW violates the 4th amendment right
>> to protection against unreasonable search/seizure) *is* patently
>> racist.
>
> Why does it have to be racism?
Because it relies on racial profiling, and not on what has been done.
> Imagine that a woman is raped, and the police is immediately called,
> and they suspect that the rapist is still in the vicinity. The police
> ought to start questioning suspects they find. Male suspects.
Different circumstances.
> One could argue that only having males as suspects is discrimination,
> that suspects should be equally male and female. But that someone would
> be a complete idiot. It's 99.999% probable that the rapist was a male,
> rather than a woman who raped a woman and was nevertheless mistaken for
> a man (that has probably never happened in the history of mankind).
> Hence it makes sense for the police to only suspect males and leave
> females off the hook. If the police was stupid enough to start detaining
> females for suspicion of raping a woman, they would be wasting valuable
> resources which would be better used in searching for the actual rapist.
> After all, law enforcement has only very limited resources to solve
> crimes.
>
> Likewise with illegal immigration: The vast majority of illegal
> immigrants
> don't look like locals.
Except that in Arizona, the vast majority of immigrants (legal and not)
are of hispanic descent. Let's see how many Canadian immigrants get
stopped there because "they don't look like they belong".
> Hence it only makes sense to prioritize the
> scarce resources law enforcement has and concentrate on people who don't
> look like locals. This is not racism. This is practicality. Questioning
> people equally is only going to waste resources, which wastes taxpayers'
> money, and causes less crimes to be stopped.
No, this law *is* a waste of taxpayer money, in fact, several police
departments in Arizona have said that this takes resources away from
*real* crime.
Jim
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On 1-5-2010 23:47, Stephen wrote:
> On 01/05/2010 10:18 PM, andrel wrote:
> Good guess and said better than I could but I just don't want anyone to
> live in a Nazi state.
>
Does that 'but' imply that I do?
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On Sat, 01 May 2010 14:43:32 -0400, Warp wrote:
> Stopping crime sometimes means that innocent people are questioned.
There's a difference between questioning someone and detaining them
because they didn't happen to take their birth certificate with them to
prove that they were born here.
Those who are willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither.
Jim
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