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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 05:20:56
Message: <4b728888@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>>> Hmm, interesting. I wouldn't have expected that to work.
>>
>> What, that a car has more weight on the front wheels than the back?
> 
> Possibly, once you've got the back wheels up on a ramp. ;-)
> 
> I meant more that I wouldn't have expected to be able to just completely
> disregard 3/4 the weight of the object just because I'm only looking at
> one wheel.
> 

The suspension of the car does play a part here. They are designed to
keep all four wheels on the ground, and as flat as possible, when going
through a corner. If the weight of the car started shifting around every
time you moved the center of mass on the interior or went into a banked
corner just a bit too fast, the car would not be very stable at all.


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 05:26:44
Message: <4b7289e4$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:4b717a62@news.povray.org...

> Not obese, no. Also not fit. My arms contain very little muscle, and
> attempting to lift 100 Kg using only my arms operating in an unusual

Then don't lift your body; push the earth down.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 05:31:09
Message: <4b728aed$1@news.povray.org>
>> Not obese, no. Also not fit. My arms contain very little muscle, and
>> attempting to lift 100 Kg using only my arms operating in an unusual
> 
> Then don't lift your body; push the earth down.



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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 08:15:18
Message: <4b72b166$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
> 

>> What about all those doors you've pushed?
> 
> A door isn't nearly as heavy as a person.
> 

Some of the ones we had offshore weighed half a ton.

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	Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 08:30:55
Message: <4b72b50f$1@news.povray.org>
>> A door isn't nearly as heavy as a person.
> 
> Some of the ones we had offshore weighed half a ton.

Short or long?


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 08:41:33
Message: <4b72b78d$1@news.povray.org>
> Mass rises as the cube of size, but muscle power rises as the square of 
> size.

I would have thought the strength of a muscle depends on its volume, why do 
you say is rises with the square of size?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 08:45:57
Message: <4b72b895@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> Mass rises as the cube of size, but muscle power rises as the square 
>> of size.
> 
> I would have thought the strength of a muscle depends on its volume, why 
> do you say is rises with the square of size?

Muscle power is [apparently] proportional to cross-section area, not volume.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 09:00:07
Message: <4b72bbe7$1@news.povray.org>
>>> Mass rises as the cube of size, but muscle power rises as the square of 
>>> size.
>>
>> I would have thought the strength of a muscle depends on its volume, why 
>> do you say is rises with the square of size?
>
> Muscle power is [apparently] proportional to cross-section area, not 
> volume.

I guess that makes sense if you assume each cell in the muscle fibre can 
only exert a certain force, a chain of them can still only exert that same 
force no matter how long it is.  It's having more fibres in parallel that 
help to increase the force.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 09:07:29
Message: <4b72bda1$1@news.povray.org>
>> Muscle power is [apparently] proportional to cross-section area, not 
>> volume.
> 
> I guess that makes sense if you assume each cell in the muscle fibre can 
> only exert a certain force, a chain of them can still only exert that 
> same force no matter how long it is.  It's having more fibres in 
> parallel that help to increase the force.

Precisely.

Also of note is that [apparently] if all the fibers were to contract 
simultaneously, the muscle would be ripped from the bone (assuming 
there's any load on it). Apparently the fibers are actually programmed 
to twitch a few at a time, so that they have time to recover between 
contractions, while the muscle as a whole maintains constant force.

You know how when you try to lift something too heavy and you start 
shaking? That's apparently because there aren't enough fibers fiting at 
once...


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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 10:01:30
Message: <4b72ca4a$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible a écrit :
>>> Not obese, no. Also not fit. My arms contain very little muscle, and
>>> attempting to lift 100 Kg using only my arms operating in an unusual
>>
>> Then don't lift your body; push the earth down.
> 
> Mass of the Earth = 5.9742 × 10^24 Kg o_O

That's nothing, but the guys at the antipods are giving you some trouble
(as they push down too... to your side!)

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