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On 12/18/09 01:32, scott wrote:
> I wish you could have the right button to open up the menu that space
> bar used to bring up, don't they realise how utterly stupid it is not to
> have a menu appear when the user presses right button?
Somehow, I've never been sympathetic to this kind of complaint. Maybe
I'm an "old fart" (who's not that old in age) who remembers the time
when this was not the default behavior of apps.
From my perspective, the question isn't "Does this conform to the
Windows interface standard (which may not be that great)?" but "Is it
really hard to learn?" and "Is their choice of deviating from the
standard efficient?"
But then again, I'm also a GIMP user...
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Row, row, row your bits, gently down the stream...
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:08:13 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
>
> I haven't come across this in the documentation yet, but what does
> Blender mean by "grab"?
It means you grab something and move it around, i.e. what some others call
"translate".
> Also, IME pressing "a" seems to mean "UNselect all". Some of the
> documentation indicates it's supposed to invert the selection, but that
> doesn't appear to be the case...
If anything is already selected, "a" clears the selection. If nothing is
selected, "a" selects everything.
> I guess the other thing I could have tried is drawing points and lines
> one at a time, but I have no idea how to do that yet.
Ctrl+LMB in Mesh Edit mode adds a new vertex.
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Invisible escreveu:
> (OTOH, I made a shape with vaguely resembles a gingerbread man, which is
> highly implausible. Now, if I could just get rid of the polygon edges...)
I don't see polygon edges, just smooth curved surfaces. Glad to see you
finally managed to use subsurf modifier and Set Smooth.
Gingerbread Man is like that as far as I remember. I mean, front and
back are pretty flat and thus the edges are not as curvy as you could
probably get with a more spherical/round surface. Which you can, by the
way.
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Invisible escreveu:
> nemesis wrote:
> As I say, if I wanted an actual torus, I could just click "add torus".
> I'm trying to see if it's possible to model nontrivial shapes using only
> a mesh editor. A torus is about the simplest shape that isn't completely
> trivial.
Yes, but you still got it wrong on a matter of principles: you know a
torus is the result of rotating a circle around an axis, you knew I told
you about the very useful spin button, and yet you felt like it'd be fun
to try to make it out of a hole through a box. Doesn't make any sense.
> Next I might try a genus-2 surface. (I've never seen one
> offered by any package, ever. And it's not a SOR.)
Povray SDL is more well suited for math surfaces, you'll be boring
yourself with a mesh editor for that.
> Also, IME pressing "a" seems to mean "UNselect all". Some of the
> documentation indicates it's supposed to invert the selection, but that
> doesn't appear to be the case...
a either selects all or unselects all in case there's anything selected.
ctrl+i inverts a selection.
>> forget it: this isn't CSG, don't try to treat it like one.
>
> Well, there are two ways to make an object. One is to start with nothing
> and slowly build it into something. The other is to start with something
> and slowly cut it down to the thing you want.
Cuts don't really work fine in mesh editors.
> I guess the other thing I could have tried is drawing points and lines
> one at a time, but I have no idea how to do that yet.
Sure you know, I told you how to to so before: when either in top, side
or front view, select a single vertice and go ctrl+LMB clicking
throughout the viewing plane. Each ctrl+click will automatically
extrude each vertice/edge/face. Have you actually managed to get your
belt this way?
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scott escreveu:
>> That's been precisely tackled in Blender 2.5 complete interface
>> overhaul. I
>> mean, all your 3 points.
>>
>> I'd actually say Invisible to try it rather than learn the old shoe
>> going out of
>> style, except it's still alpha, buggy and lacking most other features.
>
> I wish you could have the right button to open up the menu that space
> bar used to bring up, don't they realise how utterly stupid it is not to
> have a menu appear when the user presses right button?
I'm already pissed enough that the easy space keypress to bring on the
main menu has been replaced with a ctrl+a and no, I don't think it'd be
more useful to have a menu showing up when I press right button: I'm
expecting the 3D cursor to move, which in the context of a mesh editing
software is far more useful than menus readily found otherwise.
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Invisible escreveu:
> Was whoever designed Blender left-handed or something?
I don't know, perhaps the same other 80% of guys in the industry who
don't use povray's convention.
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>> Was whoever designed Blender left-handed or something?
>
> I don't know, perhaps the same other 80% of guys in the industry who
> don't use povray's convention.
...actually I was talking about using the RMB for all the most important
functions, rather than the LMB like every normal application on the planet.
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Invisible wrote:
>>> There's nothing *wrong* with keyboard shortcuts, but it does make the
>>> learning curve rather steep.
>>
>> Yes. Faster to use once you put them in your brain, but harder to
>> learn. Unless they're written on the menus, so you learn the ones taht
>> are useful to you in particular.
>
> Usual practice is to design a UI which is intuitive and easy to figure
> out using the mouse, and to label the keyboard shortcuts on the UI.
Yes. That's what I was describing, and what Blender does for the stuff that
has menus.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Human nature dictates that toothpaste tubes spend
much longer being almost empty than almost full.
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nemesis wrote:
> That's been precisely tackled in Blender 2.5 complete interface overhaul.
Because, you know, the UI was so well done in earlier versions, and nobody
ever complained about it. :-)
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Human nature dictates that toothpaste tubes spend
much longer being almost empty than almost full.
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Neeum Zawan wrote:
> who remembers the time when this was not the default behavior of apps.
Dude, the guys who invented menus did it this way. It has never *not* been
the way to do it. :-)
> From my perspective, the question isn't "Does this conform to the
> Windows interface standard (which may not be that great)?" but "Is it
> really hard to learn?" and "Is their choice of deviating from the
> standard efficient?"
Those are subjective. Following the Windows standard makes it easier to
learn for windows users.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Human nature dictates that toothpaste tubes spend
much longer being almost empty than almost full.
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