> If I can't meet people here in the normal world, what chance do I stand 
> in a foreign country?

You won't notice any difference then.

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>> If I can't meet people here in the normal world, what chance do I 
>> stand in a foreign country?
> 
> You won't notice any difference then.

Well, there is always that...

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Invisible wrote:
> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they 
> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...

You have no idea what SF is like, do you? :-)

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   You know the kamikaze monsters in Serious Sam
     with the bombs for hands, that go AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
   I want that for a ring tone.

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Invisible wrote:
> Heh. Sure. Because I'm *made* of money!

My wife moved to the USA from China. We pay $0.06/minute to talk on the 
phone. When she got here, she had $18, which was something like a full 
month's pay in China at the time, so it should be plenty to get to where she 
was going and find a place to stay, right?

> Excuse me sir? Is that an open beer container? In this country, it is 
> illegal to have an open beer container inside a moving vehicle. Could 
> you come with me please...

See? You already know the laws. :-)

> If I can't meet people here in the normal world, what chance do I stand 
> in a foreign country?

Probably a lot better, with nothing to lose and surrounded by people who are 
actually *friendly*.   (Not that I'd say that about *every* US city, but 
SanFran is high on the list.)

Heck, interview for google. They seem a very friendly bunch too.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   You know the kamikaze monsters in Serious Sam
     with the bombs for hands, that go AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
   I want that for a ring tone.

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>> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they 
>> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
> 
> You have no idea what SF is like, do you? :-)

Heh, no. Only what I've heard. ;-)

Actually, I sometimes wonder if all those other people of the world 
actually thing that Englishmen walk around all day in tophats and tails 
drinking tea and eating biscuits. Cos, you know... one could easily make 
that mistake.

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Invisible wrote:
>>> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they 
>>> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
>>
>> You have no idea what SF is like, do you? :-)
> 
> Heh, no. Only what I've heard. ;-)
> 
> Actually, I sometimes wonder if all those other people of the world 
> actually thing that Englishmen walk around all day in tophats and tails 
> drinking tea and eating biscuits. Cos, you know... one could easily make 
> that mistake.

Yeah, and we have shoot-outs in the street every day, just for fun. :-)

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   You know the kamikaze monsters in Serious Sam
     with the bombs for hands, that go AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
   I want that for a ring tone.

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On 24-11-2009 10:17, Invisible wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area.  You are still 
>> stuck on this idea that you couldn't possibly afford a house, so you 
>> don't bother to look at places where they might actually pay you 
>> enough to afford a house (or a flat).
> 
> You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave. 
> It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.
> 
>> But broadening your search to look for a different career also 
>> wouldn't be a bad way to increase the odds of finding something.
> 
> Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers? 
> Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot of 
> people...
I need a programmer, someone who knows how to handle procedures, someone 
with experience in 3D, someone able to work in a multidisciplinary team, 
someone to keep us focussed, someone with knowledge of anatomy, and 
indeed a sysop for a small group.
Salary with your CV, I am guessing, around €3000 per month or slightly 
less. Before tax.
Need not all be present in one person, there will be 2 positions to 
fill. And there will be at least two other persons that are able to 
perform sysop like tasks.
But I think we established that you would not even consider moving to 
Amsterdam.

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On 24-11-2009 15:58, Invisible wrote:
> Heh. Sure. I mean, just turn my back on everyone and everything I have 
> ever cared about in this world

Interesting.

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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:17:25 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area.  You are still
>> stuck on this idea that you couldn't possibly afford a house, so you
>> don't bother to look at places where they might actually pay you enough
>> to afford a house (or a flat).
> 
> You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave.
> It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.

And at the same time, you say "I don't want to get the crap kicked out of 
me by standing up for myself" - which to me DOESN'T sound like that great 
of a place to live.  Unless you like living in fear of having the crap 
kicked out of you for standing up for yourself.

I understand that there are things you like about MK.  I also understand 
that you haven't actually seen a lot of the world, so your decision-
making being based on what you know is what's limiting you.

>> But broadening your search to look for a different career also wouldn't
>> be a bad way to increase the odds of finding something.
> 
> Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers?
> Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot of
> people...

Nobody in MK perhaps, which is why you maybe need to broaden your search 
parameters - and not just by fields, but by geography.

That's my point, and one you have rather persistently not seen.

Jim

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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:53:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area.  You are still
>> stuck
> 
> He is in KIP!

LOL

> Off Topic for this thread but it saves me starting another one and in
> this green society that gives me brownie points and points mean?
> 
> ISIHAC Series 52, Episode 2 has an interesting game of Mornington
> Crescent. It can be heard for 12 more days at
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ny7n8

Yay!  We listened to Ep1, and I was wondering when we were finally going 
to get an episode of MC.  Will grab it (should have shown up on uknova by 
now?).

Jim

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