http://www.sdtimes.com/blog/post/2009/07/27/Everyonee28099s-talking-about-Haskell.aspx

"Despite its distance from traditional programming, and its relative 
lack of common use, Haskell has become one of the most talked-about 
languages on the Internet."

Um, WTF? No it hasn't!

If it weren't for the fact that I happen to use Haskell, I would never 
have heard of it. And if that sounds like a tautology, I've never used 
Python, don't know what Python code even looks like. But I've heard of 
it. Ditto for PHP, Ruby, ASP, C# and so on. Never seen any code, never 
used them, but I've certainly heard of them. Who the hell has heard of 
Haskell?

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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Who the hell has heard of Haskell?

Everyone? Eddie Haskell was a character on Leave it to Beaver. Doh!

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Invisible schrieb:

> "Despite its distance from traditional programming, and its relative 
> lack of common use, Haskell has become one of the most talked-about 
> languages on the Internet."
> 
> Um, WTF? No it hasn't!

Well, according to the statistics on www.langpop.org it has. More 
talked-about than even C# or Ruby. And you can't argue about statistics, 
can you? :P


> If it weren't for the fact that I happen to use Haskell, I would never 
> have heard of it. And if that sounds like a tautology, I've never used 
> Python, don't know what Python code even looks like. But I've heard of 
> it. Ditto for PHP, Ruby, ASP, C# and so on. Never seen any code, never 
> used them, but I've certainly heard of them. Who the hell has heard of 
> Haskell?

Probably everyone who has ever visited povray.off-topic :P

Actually it seems to me that there's more discussion about Haskell here 
than, for instance, PHP, Ruby, Python, Perl, Java, and possibly even C#.


Though I guess the discussions we've seen here only serve the point that 
whether a language is *talked* about is quite orthogonal to whether 
people consider it any *relevant* :-P

So the statistics can also be interpreted that Haskell is a much more 
polarizing topic than other languages of similar relevance - or that it 
just happens to be the current favorite subject for programmers' idle 
smalltalk (no pun intended) ;-)

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>> "Despite its distance from traditional programming, and its relative 
>> lack of common use, Haskell has become one of the most talked-about 
>> languages on the Internet."
>>
>> Um, WTF? No it hasn't!
> 
> Well, according to the statistics on www.langpop.org it has. More 
> talked-about than even C# or Ruby. And you can't argue about statistics, 
> can you? :P

Heh. Depends on how those statistics are collected. ;-)

 From what I've seen, Lisp, Earlang and Clean get *way* more publicity 
than little old Haskell. Even ML is more widely known.

(E.g., XKCD makes several references to Lisp and Python, but never once 
mentions Haskell.)

>> Who the hell has heard of Haskell?
> 
> Probably everyone who has ever visited povray.off-topic :P

Only after I heard about it. :-P

> Actually it seems to me that there's more discussion about Haskell here 
> than, for instance, PHP, Ruby, Python, Perl, Java, and possibly even C#.

Depends on whether you mean "discussion" and in people arguing about the 
merits of a given language, or "mention" as in people using its name. 
I'd say there is *a lot* more material written about C, C++, C#, Java, 
etc. than there is about Haskell. Whether they are "discussed" more is 
harder to quantify. Certainly Haskell's name is less widely heard.

> Though I guess the discussions we've seen here only serve the point that 
> whether a language is *talked* about is quite orthogonal to whether 
> people consider it any *relevant* :-P

And, indeed, being talked about is quite orthogonal to being *used*, 
much less being *useful*.

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On 10-8-2009 15:19, Invisible wrote:
>
http://www.sdtimes.com/blog/post/2009/07/27/Everyonee28099s-talking-about-Haskell.aspx

> 
> 
> "Despite its distance from traditional programming, and its relative 
> lack of common use, Haskell has become one of the most talked-about 
> languages on the Internet."
> 
> Um, WTF? No it hasn't!

It is in this newsgroup. We even have two whole subnewsgroups devoted to 
it even though this is a server about a totally different language.

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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:53:21 +0100, Invisible wrote:


> (E.g., XKCD makes several references to Lisp and Python, but never once
> mentions Haskell.)

But it gets talked about in xkcd's forum.

Jim

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On 08/10/09 10:53, Invisible wrote:
>  From what I've seen, Lisp, Earlang and Clean get *way* more publicity
> than little old Haskell. Even ML is more widely known.

	Hadn't heard of Clean till today.

	Lisp used to be the king, but I'm sure if you look at the rate over the 
last 2 years, Haskell exceeds it.

-- 
"I've dropped my toothpaste," said Tom, crestfallen.

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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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>
http://www.sdtimes.com/blog/post/2009/07/27/Everyonee28099s-talking-about-Haskell.aspx
>
> "Despite its distance from traditional programming, and its relative
> lack of common use, Haskell has become one of the most talked-about
> languages on the Internet."
>
> Um, WTF? No it hasn't!

The author is obviously generalizing from p.o-t.

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>>  From what I've seen, Lisp, Earlang and Clean get *way* more publicity
>> than little old Haskell. Even ML is more widely known.
> 
>     Hadn't heard of Clean till today.

Yeah, Erlang is more widely known.

Clean is sort-of like Haskell, but much more messy. (Which makes the 
name kind of interesting...) It's more low-level, reputedly giving you 
better performance.

>     Lisp used to be the king, but I'm sure if you look at the rate over 
> the last 2 years, Haskell exceeds it.

I don't know about that - ever heard of Emacs?

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>> (E.g., XKCD makes several references to Lisp and Python, but never once
>> mentions Haskell.)
> 
> But it gets talked about in xkcd's forum.

The Bellman-Ford algorithm gets talked about in that forum. Ever heard 
of it? I haven't.

Oh, and something called "Firefly"...

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