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>> David Jones. (Yes, that was his name.)
>>
>> He was one of the lecturers at college.
>
> Wait - is that "David Jones" as in "David E.H. Jones", aka "Daedalus"?
No. David K. Jones. Sorry.
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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:15:48 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
>> There! It is now true.
>>
>> I remember seeing a machine in Paisley museum that used recognisable punch cards
>> (IIRC about 18" X 24") from the 19th Century. Its output was woven cloth. So (as
>> usual) we Scots were there first (if you don't count the Chinese, who did
>> everything first). :P
>
>That's nothing. A few months back, I went to the London Science Museum
>and say half of Babbage's *brain* in a pickling jar. o_O
Yum, yum ;)
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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:15:16 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
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>And what language do you think the *Brits* speak? Hint: Not Dutch. ;-)
>
Nor American :P
>While the Brits invented the first computers, I'm pretty sure the whole text
>processing aspect (and in particular the ASCII I'm guessing you're
>complaining about) was happening in the USA. Not that EBCDIC had an ij
>ligature in it either.
Sorry Darren I'm just "pulling your plonker" ;)
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On 7-10-2009 1:05, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> I assume you meant 'a character set' in stead of 'computers'?
>
> I'm assuming the complaint is that the Dutch adopted ASCII for their
> computers. If it bothers you, don't do that. ;-)
Nowadays with unicode we have a choice, well sort of at least. There
were times that most displays physically only supported ASCII and many
programming languages also only supported ASCII.
The problem for the 'IJ' is on the one hand worse than for e.g. the
eszett because everybody knows it is an 'i' and a 'j' together, and we
have always used that on typewriters. Now it is easy to add ligatures to
a font set the 'IJ' ligature is still not often used. Partly because
many look ugly and don't seem to fit into the font and partly because
not many people mourn the loss of Dutch culture.
The problem of the eszett (and umlaut) is OTOH perhaps a bit worse
because the Germans seem to have yielded to American imperialism by
changing their spelling rules so that German can now be spelled using
ASCII only.
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On 7-10-2009 10:19, Invisible wrote:
>>> Dikjstra's shunting algorithm
>>
>> Why don't you learn that Dijkstra is with an 'ij' that is a single
>> vowel in Dutch and actually should be a ligature in print, but this is
>> just another example of how the Americans have destroyed a culture.
>
> ...he was Dutch?
yes, and we have gone over this already a few times.
> Well, THAT explains why the hell I can't even say his name out loud,
> never mind spell it. :-P
as for pronunciation try dike-strah http://forvo.com/word/dijkstra/
gives one pronunciation, I would probably rendered it slightly different
for an international audience.
Here is another attempt including his first names
http://badibulgator.free.fr/Dijkstra.wav
> Apparently he was quite clever though. I only know about him because he
> apparently invented an algorithm for turning a series of expression
> tokens into an actual expression tree...
You should also know him because I mentioned him a few times here. He
did a lot of work in concurrent programming (e.g. the P and V
operation). IIRC he (or his team) implemented the first interrupt
routines. He did a lot on designing programs from specification. Many of
the algorithms he is most commonly known for were originally just
examples of how to derive a program from a specification. You need more
proof that thinking about your algorithm and documenting it might lead
to new insights?
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Stephen wrote:
> Sorry Darren I'm just "pulling your plonker" ;)
Oh, I know. :-) There's just a lot of people out there that seem to argue
Americans went and forced our alphabet on them or something. (And yes, I
notice it's never the brits, but the americans. :-)
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On 10/07/09 10:15, Darren New wrote:
> While the Brits invented the first computers, I'm pretty sure the whole
> text processing aspect (and in particular the ASCII I'm guessing you're
> complaining about) was happening in the USA. Not that EBCDIC had an ij
> ligature in it either.
EBCDIC is American.
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On 10/07/09 15:55, andrel wrote:
>> Apparently he was quite clever though. I only know about him because
>> he apparently invented an algorithm for turning a series of expression
>> tokens into an actual expression tree...
>
> You should also know him because I mentioned him a few times here. He
And he killed GOTO.
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Neeum Zawan wrote:
> On 10/07/09 10:15, Darren New wrote:
>> While the Brits invented the first computers, I'm pretty sure the whole
>> text processing aspect (and in particular the ASCII I'm guessing you're
>> complaining about) was happening in the USA. Not that EBCDIC had an ij
>> ligature in it either.
>
> EBCDIC is American.
Technically, it's from IBM, as in International Business Machines. ;-)
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When we introduced English to the world we did it at the point of a gun
and with gunboat diplomacy. The American method was more economic,
supplying cheap(ish) computer products and English language films.
Somehow that seems more acceptable to people at large.
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Stephen
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