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Darren New wrote:
> You know, this is the first time I've ever heard someone worried about a
> citizen coup of the government. Every person arming themselves I've ever
> heard of that has been worried about it has been arming themselves to
> protect the government from the officials, not to overthrow the
> government. I.e., to restore the constitution, not to overthrow the
> elected government. I think this is probably a new GOP nutcasism, just
> like the birthers.
>
I don't think any of them believe they, themselves, will be the one to
help over throw the government. But, there must be someone out there who
believes more strongly, and will lead the uprising. And after that,
while the opposing party is herded into the camps they were building for
the secret NSA or Hollywood project, the righteous will need those guns
to keep themselves safe from all the people that don't get picked up in
the first round.
I think I lost the point of this hyperbole, when I started picturing the
nutcase-caste as the invading army in any generic 80's Cold War invasion
movie. And yes, didn't you know? The NSA is working with Hollywood movie
makers to hide those camps in the 'on location' sets for various films.
It has all been planned for years now, why can't anyone see it?!
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> The irony being.. this kind of BS makes me actually consider being
> armed, just to protect myself from all the nut cases, and most of them
> are definitely ***nut cases***, who already are.
Do it, you don't need a gun to be armed. Do you know where the kitchen
knives are? Do you know where the nearest exits are, and how to get your
family to them quickly? And do you know which few things in your house
are worth dying to protect?
There, now you are armed. Use this knowledge with great care.
Strangely, this works not just for intruders, looters, and other
neer-do-wells, but for fires, natural disasters, and lots of other
situations.
>Sadly, the only thing
> likely to change this trend towards shear stupidity is a good old
> western shootout some place. Betting it will be between a teabagger and
> someone they conclude is "liberal" because they wore the wrong shirt to
> an anti-liberal rally.
I don't see that happening. Maybe as a false flag incident, but most of
the very conservative people I know, know each other. They might joke
about the 'liberal' for a few months, or call them out to other family.
But shooting a stranger who just might be a real liberal sent to the
rally to bait them into breaking the law, no sir.
>Ironically, the wacko politicians are at least
> partly right. More people are getting armed because they are fearful and
> don't think the cops can help them. What they fail to grasp is that they
> realize that a) there are seldom enough cops, and even less now in a
> recession, b) many places the cops are in the pocket of local politics,
> and some of those **hate** certain neighborhoods, c) crime rates, for
> the most part, where dropping before now, especially violent crime, but
> that might have reversed, and not because 4 people some place stopped
> praying to the right wings dog, d) under the current conditions,
> promoting "more" guns is a recipe for disaster, not a solution to making
> things safer, in the absence of cops that the government can't/won't pay
> for, or which have been corrupted by politics to not help certain parts
> of the cities.
When did the police become a means to prevent crime?
> All in all, I am much more worried, today, that one of these idiots, who
> watched a few too many episodes of Walker Texas Ranger, will shoot
> someone for looking too not-right wing enough, than that an army of
> liberals will try to storm the capitol building. Why? Because if the
> later happens, it will be **because** the WTR sort will have shot a
> bunch of people, then holed up in the capitol building, with hostages,
> and the right wing spin engine will be busy calling them "freedom
> fighters" for it, instead of insane, or terrorist, thereby helping to
> cement the civil war these idiots seem to want so badly.
I hate to say it, but they are the same thing. One sides Freedom Fighter
is the other sides terrorist. One sides liberating force is the others
invading army. The only difference is which side you are on or, if it
was in the past, which side won.
You have to be slightly insane to say to yourself, "You know, this
government isn't really working. I think if I could just get a few
thousand people to follow me, we might be able to overthrow the whole
thing." But, history shows that it keeps working.
> Frankly, I wish they would just save us the idiocy and bloodshed, move
> to Texas, secede, and the rest of us where smart enough to let them turn
> themselves into a third world country, instead of bothering to stop them.
>
Where is the fun in that?
The loud rally-attending folks are not the ones ya ever need to worry
about. Neither are the talking heads that they listen to. Those are not
the people who are going to start a revolution, they wouldn't know how
and they would brag about it before they found 5 other people to
actually trust. No, if the people attending the rallies suddenly go
quiet because they realized that the tide was turning against them and
biding their time would work better, then you need to worry.
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On 10/01/09 18:54, Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> You have to be slightly insane to say to yourself, "You know, this
> government isn't really working. I think if I could just get a few
> thousand people to follow me, we might be able to overthrow the whole
> thing." But, history shows that it keeps working.
Observation/Selection Bias?
I could as well say "History shows it keeps failing."
--
A Mexican newspaper reports that bored Royal Air Force pilots stationed
on the Falkland Islands have devised what they consider a marvelous new
game. Noting that the local penguins are fascinated by airplanes, the
pilots search out a beach where the birds are gathered and fly slowly
along it at the water's edge. Perhaps ten thousand penguins turn their
heads in unison watching the planes go by, and when the pilots turn
around and fly back, the birds turn their heads in the opposite
direction, like spectators at a slow-motion tennis match. Then, the
paper reports "The pilots fly out to sea and directly to the penguin
colony and overfly it. Heads go up, up, up, and ten thousand penguins
fall over gently onto their backs." -- Audobon Society Magazine
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> The irony being.. this kind of BS makes me actually consider being armed,
> just to protect myself from all the nut cases,
Funny how whenever there is some shooting at a shopping centre or whatever,
suddenly nobody else seems to be carrying a gun and everyone waits for the
police to show up. Either in reality nobody actually carries a gun, or
everyone is too scared to use it. Maybe they are scared to use it because
they are not trained properly to use a gun, that's even more scary.
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On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:54:05 -0400, Sabrina Kilian <ski### [at] vt edu> wrote:
>Do it, you don't need a gun to be armed. Do you know where the kitchen
>knives are? Do you know where the nearest exits are, and how to get your
>family to them quickly? And do you know which few things in your house
>are worth dying to protect?
>
>There, now you are armed. Use this knowledge with great care.
>
>Strangely, this works not just for intruders, looters, and other
>neer-do-wells, but for fires, natural disasters, and lots of other
>situations.
>
Too much logic there not enough room for emotion of want ;)
>When did the police become a means to prevent crime?
>
Just after they stop breaking the law, themselves. :)
>I hate to say it, but they are the same thing. One sides Freedom Fighter
>is the other sides terrorist. One sides liberating force is the others
>invading army. The only difference is which side you are on or, if it
>was in the past, which side won.
>
So cynical for one so young :P
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:22:17 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
>
>Too much logic there not enough room for emotion of want ;)
Or want, oops!
--
Regards
Stephen
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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> I hate to say it, but they are the same thing. One sides Freedom Fighter
> is the other sides terrorist. One sides liberating force is the others
> invading army. The only difference is which side you are on or, if it
> was in the past, which side won.
>
Funny that it's the Liberals in Che Guevara t-shirts who seem (or at
least claim to be) most worried about blood-thirsty Conservatives.
- Shay
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scott wrote:
>> The irony being.. this kind of BS makes me actually consider being
>> armed, just to protect myself from all the nut cases,
>
> Funny how whenever there is some shooting at a shopping centre or
> whatever, suddenly nobody else seems to be carrying a gun and everyone
> waits for the police to show up. Either in reality nobody actually
> carries a gun, or everyone is too scared to use it. Maybe they are
> scared to use it because they are not trained properly to use a gun,
> that's even more scary.
>
>
Maybe there are fewer mass-shootings where law-abiding citizens have
armed themselves.
Ever heard of a mass shooting at a gun range?
-Shay
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
>
> Frankly, I wish they would just save us the idiocy and bloodshed, move
> to Texas, secede, and the rest of us where smart enough to let them turn
> themselves into a third world country, instead of bothering to stop them.
>
We might get to see it pretty soon. I suspect you all will go after our
401ks in the very near future, and that may very well be the incident
that begins the next revolution. I doubt it will be an armed revolution,
however. My guess is the middle class will just bail out, possibly by
succession of one or a few states.
The rich will stick around collecting "bailouts" till the well runs dry,
and then the historical cycle (if not otherwise interrupted) will be
complete. It'll be the left-behinds waiting in bread lines who are the
next to take up actual arms against the state, but that's a long way off.
-Shay
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scott wrote:
> Funny how whenever there is some shooting at a shopping centre or
> whatever, suddenly nobody else seems to be carrying a gun and everyone
> waits for the police to show up.
Most people don't *carry* guns. It's a right PITA in most places to get
carry permits. Lots of people own guns, tho.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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