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From: Verm
Subject: Re: Optical failure
Date: 21 Sep 2009 09:23:47
Message: <4ab77e63$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> There's a well-known illusion where you have a bunch of identical blue 
> squares, each surrounded by a different background, and it makes the 
> blue squares look like they're all different shades of blue (even though 
> they are in fact identical).
> 
> However, for some reason, I can't get this particular illusion to work. 
> Take a look at the attachment. All the blue squares are clearly and 
> obviously the same shade of blue. WTF?
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
Get rid of the white padding between the squares?
It's possibly too close to the pale blue centres and is giving the brain 
a reference colour.

Have fewer larger squares?

Now experiment to find the maximum resolution of this type of illusion 
that still tricks the brain?


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: Optical failure
Date: 21 Sep 2009 09:50:01
Message: <web.4ab783ad5c49a6a885627c70@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> There's a well-known illusion where you have a bunch of identical blue
> squares, each surrounded by a different background, and it makes the
> blue squares look like they're all different shades of blue (even though
> they are in fact identical).
>
> However, for some reason, I can't get this particular illusion to work.
> Take a look at the attachment. All the blue squares are clearly and
> obviously the same shade of blue. WTF?


Best explanation I know of is here:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/24/the-blue-and-the-green/

Best Regards,
Mike C.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Optical failure
Date: 21 Sep 2009 09:59:12
Message: <fj1fb5det930dias46ojbv3v5u72ddubla@4ax.com>
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:14:42 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

> All the blue squares are clearly and 
>obviously the same shade of blue. WTF?

Different shades of grey to me. (I must get a new laptop)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Optical failure
Date: 21 Sep 2009 10:20:05
Message: <4ab78b95$1@news.povray.org>
Mike the Elder wrote:

> Best explanation I know of is here:
> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/24/the-blue-and-the-green/

Heh, that really does work...


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From: Neeum Zawan
Subject: Re: Optical failure
Date: 21 Sep 2009 10:30:14
Message: <4ab78df6$1@news.povray.org>
Instead of "optical failure", shouldn't this be "optical success"?


-- 
"Eureka!" said Archimedes to the skunk.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Optical failure
Date: 21 Sep 2009 10:39:10
Message: <4ab7900e$1@news.povray.org>
Neeum Zawan wrote:

> Instead of "optical failure", shouldn't this be "optical success"?

Or, as one newpaper once posed, "if you set out to fail, and succeed, 
what have you done?"



BEHOLD THE LIER PARADOX! GODEL, ESCHER, BACH, AN ETERNAL GOLDEN BRAID!!!


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Optical failure
Date: 21 Sep 2009 11:27:31
Message: <4ab79b63@news.povray.org>
Invisible schrieb:
> There's a well-known illusion where you have a bunch of identical blue 
> squares, each surrounded by a different background, and it makes the 
> blue squares look like they're all different shades of blue (even though 
> they are in fact identical).
> 
> However, for some reason, I can't get this particular illusion to work. 
> Take a look at the attachment. All the blue squares are clearly and 
> obviously the same shade of blue. WTF?

Your squares are simply way too small (on an average computer display at 
average viewing distances) for this to work.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Optical failure
Date: 21 Sep 2009 11:29:15
Message: <4ab79bcb$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:30:16 -0500, Neeum Zawan wrote:

> Instead of "optical failure", shouldn't this be "optical success"?

It's a brain failure failure. ;-)

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Optical failure
Date: 22 Sep 2009 04:38:27
Message: <4ab88d03@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> Heh, that really does work...

You know, I'm not so sure this is a mental illusion. Viewing the image 
horrifically out of focus still shows the same effect, so I'm not sure 
the illusion is mental; I think it might literally be optical.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Optical failure
Date: 22 Sep 2009 04:57:28
Message: <4ab89178@news.povray.org>
> You know, I'm not so sure this is a mental illusion. Viewing the image 
> horrifically out of focus still shows the same effect,

Viewing it out of focus means the colours reaching your retina are actually 
differnt (because one is mixed with orange and the other with magenta).  See 
attached blurred version...

When you're viewing it *in* focus there really are the same colours coming 
to your retina that the brain interprets differently depending on what 
colours are around it.


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