Darren New wrote:
> Sabrina Kilian wrote:
>> Are you going to be using the remote control, or will someone else?
> 
> Ah, I phrased it wrong. The actual quote is "Secretly attempting to
> control my own mind."
> 

I was thinking along the lines of "Having an out of body experience, but
it's alright, I have this remote control!"

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Stephen wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:32:17 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> 
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> Not the only one :)
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8237558.stm
>> I'm just giggling madly. How could you even transcribe that into your own 
>> publishing system without realizing it's a joke? Are they just 
>> cut-and-pasting content without even reading it to make up their "newspaper"?
> 
> They probably believe that anything could happen in the West :)

Well, given you can find idiots in places like Florida that actually 
state things like this:

"Obama is a Marxist... What's a Marxist anyway?", and be seriously 
apposed to what they don't even fracking know the definition of...

http://www.youtube.com/v/2wLYgbS8HeA&hl=en&fs=1&

Not sure which is more annoying, the idiots, or the idiot with the drum. 
Video comes from this guy, who has been documenting this insanity:

http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/

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Warp wrote:
> Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] npgcablecom> wrote:
>> The way I figure it, if all the shit they think people faked over the 
>> years where faked, the amount of power such people would have to have 
>> would make it **easier** for them to simply arrange for inconvenient 
>> people like Lazar to die in a car accident, *before* they write a dozen 
>> fracking books, then erase anything they might have written down, 
>> instead of wasting decades erasing documents to make the guy look like a 
>> quack.
> 
>   That's one part of radical conspiracy theorists which I find rather
> amusing. (Of course not *all* of conspiracy theorists are so radical,
> but many are.)
> 
>   A common claim is that the Big Evil, ie. the government secretly controls
> everything, performs assasinations of unwanted people, has supersecret elite
> forces which perform all kinds of illegal secret activities (such as the
> assasinations, as well as kidnapping people, etc), and that they will destroy
> anybody who tries to expose the truth about the government secrets.
> 
>   The amusing (and at the same time sad) thing is that these people honestly
> don't seem to see the contradiction here. *They* are supposedly exposing all
> the government secrets, and at the same time they are claiming that the
> government is assasinating anybody doing so.
> 
Except when they, of course, for no damn good reason, erase someone's 
entire life history, to discredit their work in UFOs, instead of doing 
the *sane* thing and just arranging for the poor sap to have a car 
accident, *before* he publishes a dozen books claiming the government is 
lying about everything:

http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com/2009/08/hoaxes-from-space-part-i-bob-lazar.html

Hell, its almost enough to make me shoot them, never mind the "super 
secret, hidden, government within the government, that can do 
*everything* except shut up a few random people that claim they exist."

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Sigh. Already posted some of that.. Too many forums, too little time, 
and too many bloody late night shifts this week. lol

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On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:33:51 -0700, Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] npgcablecom>
wrote:

>
>Well, given you can find idiots in places like Florida that actually 
>state things like this:
>
>"Obama is a Marxist... What's a Marxist anyway?", and be seriously 
>apposed to what they don't even fracking know the definition of...
>

Surely Marxist/Communist is just a generic insult from the right?

>http://www.youtube.com/v/2wLYgbS8HeA&hl=en&fs=1&

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Stephen wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:33:51 -0700, Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] npgcablecom>
> wrote:
> 
>> Well, given you can find idiots in places like Florida that actually 
>> state things like this:
>>
>> "Obama is a Marxist... What's a Marxist anyway?", and be seriously 
>> apposed to what they don't even fracking know the definition of...
>>
> 
> Surely Marxist/Communist is just a generic insult from the right?
> 

That is a quote from someone in the video.

>> http://www.youtube.com/v/2wLYgbS8HeA&hl=en&fs=1&
> 
> I could not view it 

Guy with video camera goes out to a Teabag Rally, and asks people to
describe what they have against Obama or health care reform. One lady
was debating with herself, in range of the microphone, whether Obama was
a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist. She settles on Marxist, because he
doesn't match all the points of the other two. When asked what those
points were, or what makes a Marxist, she wanders off to find someone to
tell her.

The rest is even stranger, as people with printouts try to poke holes in
"The Health Care Bill". They quote section, paragraph, and line numbers
of one of the many versions of the bill, but manage to cut short most of
what the line says. The shining example was "This tax is not a tax..."
which sounds outrageous, but the line reads more like "This tax is not a
tax for the purposes of determining, via total taxes paid, how much
something costs."

Debate would be lovely, but the video isn't debate. It is funny though.

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On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:05:04 -0400, Sabrina Kilian <ski### [at] vtedu> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:33:51 -0700, Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] npgcablecom>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, given you can find idiots in places like Florida that actually 
>>> state things like this:
>>>
>>> "Obama is a Marxist... What's a Marxist anyway?", and be seriously 
>>> apposed to what they don't even fracking know the definition of...
>>>
>> 
>> Surely Marxist/Communist is just a generic insult from the right?
>> 
>
>That is a quote from someone in the video.
>

Ah! That shows how much I have learned from these newsgroups :)

>>> http://www.youtube.com/v/2wLYgbS8HeA&hl=en&fs=1&
>> 
>> I could not view it 
>

I still can't see it, all I get is a popup asking if I want to download a
shockwave flash object. <Grrr!>

>Guy with video camera goes out to a Teabag Rally, and asks people to

What's a Teabag Rally?

>describe what they have against Obama or health care reform. One lady
>was debating with herself, in range of the microphone, whether Obama was
>a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist. She settles on Marxist, because he
>doesn't match all the points of the other two. When asked what those
>points were, or what makes a Marxist, she wanders off to find someone to
>tell her.
>

Well at least she has an opinion LOL

>The rest is even stranger, as people with printouts try to poke holes in
>"The Health Care Bill". They quote section, paragraph, and line numbers
>of one of the many versions of the bill, but manage to cut short most of
>what the line says. 

Don't a lot of people do that with your constitution as well? Especially when
talking about the Second Amendment.

>The shining example was "This tax is not a tax..."
>which sounds outrageous, but the line reads more like "This tax is not a
>tax for the purposes of determining, via total taxes paid, how much
>something costs."

Let me guess. A lawyer made that one up or an accountant :)
>
>Debate would be lovely, but the video isn't debate. It is funny though.

I'm loosing my sense of humour when it comes to politics, nowadays :(
(But not my fecking vocabulary ;) )

Thanks, Sabrina. You're up late or early.
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     Stephen

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Stephen wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:05:04 -0400, Sabrina Kilian <ski### [at] vtedu> wrote:
> 
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:33:51 -0700, Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] npgcablecom>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, given you can find idiots in places like Florida that actually 
>>>> state things like this:
>>>>
>>>> "Obama is a Marxist... What's a Marxist anyway?", and be seriously 
>>>> apposed to what they don't even fracking know the definition of...
>>>>
>>> Surely Marxist/Communist is just a generic insult from the right?
>>>
>> That is a quote from someone in the video.
>>
> 
> Ah! That shows how much I have learned from these newsgroups :)
> 
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/v/2wLYgbS8HeA&hl=en&fs=1&
>>> I could not view it 
> 
> I still can't see it, all I get is a popup asking if I want to download a
> shockwave flash object. <Grrr!>
> 
>> Guy with video camera goes out to a Teabag Rally, and asks people to
> 
> What's a Teabag Rally?
> 

Someone's bright idea of political satire. Some people who are/were
against increasing government spending thought they would hold a modern
day Tea Party. Mimicking the Boston Tea Party, only this time there was
too much Samuel Adams beer and not enough of the politician. At some
later point, someone suggesting mailing tea bags to Washington. And with
outsiders looking on at why they would un-ironically associate their
movement with tea bags, the name just stuck.

>> describe what they have against Obama or health care reform. One lady
>> was debating with herself, in range of the microphone, whether Obama was
>> a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist. She settles on Marxist, because he
>> doesn't match all the points of the other two. When asked what those
>> points were, or what makes a Marxist, she wanders off to find someone to
>> tell her.
>>
> 
> Well at least she has an opinion LOL
> 

 . . . that's a good way of looking at it.

>> The rest is even stranger, as people with printouts try to poke holes in
>> "The Health Care Bill". They quote section, paragraph, and line numbers
>> of one of the many versions of the bill, but manage to cut short most of
>> what the line says. 
> 
> Don't a lot of people do that with your constitution as well? Especially when
> talking about the Second Amendment.
> 

Most of the time, the legal folks argue about the meaning of a few
commas. But yes, there are folks on both sides of that issue that insert
strategic ellipsis to make the words parse the way they want them to.

Completely off topic,

>> The shining example was "This tax is not a tax..."
>> which sounds outrageous, but the line reads more like "This tax is not a
>> tax for the purposes of determining, via total taxes paid, how much
>> something costs."
> 
> Let me guess. A lawyer made that one up or an accountant :)

I suspect so. It makes sense, otherwise some brilliant accountant would
just apply the tax constantly, like continuous compound interest. Call
the fee 10% of what ever tax you pay, and you paid 100 units in taxes.
So the fee is 10 units, but now you have paid 110 in taxes, so the fee
is really 11 units, but now you have . . . and ending up with (e^0.1 -
1)% needing to be paid.

>> Debate would be lovely, but the video isn't debate. It is funny though.
> 
> I'm loosing my sense of humour when it comes to politics, nowadays :(
> (But not my fecking vocabulary ;) )
> 

I have to find humor in it, it would be too depressing otherwise. I mean
if people, on both sides of these issues, really do believe everything
they hear from a few people who talk loudly, and do not even attempt to
research what they are handed as facts, it would just ruin any hope I
could have for the coming generations.

On the other hand, if that is really how people behave, I posit that the
health care bill is so (insert personal feelings here) that everyone
must (protest/support) it by sending $10 US currency to Sabrina Kilian.
This is a must, and will guarantee that the bill (does/doesn't) pass.
Please, think of the (children/budget/future generations).

> Thanks, Sabrina. You're up late or early.

Both.

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On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:52:59 -0400, Sabrina Kilian <ski### [at] vtedu> wrote:

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:52:59 -0400, Sabrina Kilian <ski### [at] vtedu> wrote:

>> What's a Teabag Rally?
>> 
>
>Someone's bright idea of political satire. Some people who are/were
>against increasing government spending thought they would hold a modern
>day Tea Party. Mimicking the Boston Tea Party, only this time there was
>too much Samuel Adams beer and not enough of the politician. At some
>later point, someone suggesting mailing tea bags to Washington. And with
>outsiders looking on at why they would un-ironically associate their
>movement with tea bags, the name just stuck.
>

Actually I like it :)
No Taxation without grumbling! ;)

 
>> Well at least she has an opinion LOL
>> 
>
> . . . that's a good way of looking at it.
>

I try to look on the bright side of life.

[sings]
Some things in life are bad,


>> Don't a lot of people do that with your constitution as well? Especially when
>> talking about the Second Amendment.
>> 
>
>Most of the time, the legal folks argue about the meaning of a few
>commas. But yes, there are folks on both sides of that issue that insert
>strategic ellipsis to make the words parse the way they want them to.
>
>Completely off topic,

This is the place for it, ye ken.

>> Let me guess. A lawyer made that one up or an accountant :)
>
>I suspect so. It makes sense, otherwise some brilliant accountant would
>just apply the tax constantly, like continuous compound interest. Call
>the fee 10% of what ever tax you pay, and you paid 100 units in taxes.
>So the fee is 10 units, but now you have paid 110 in taxes, so the fee
>is really 11 units, but now you have . . . and ending up with (e^0.1 -
>1)% needing to be paid.
>

Makes sense to me ;)

>> I'm loosing my sense of humour when it comes to politics, nowadays :(
>> (But not my fecking vocabulary ;) )
>> 
>
>I have to find humor in it, it would be too depressing otherwise. I mean
>if people, on both sides of these issues, really do believe everything
>they hear from a few people who talk loudly, and do not even attempt to
>research what they are handed as facts, it would just ruin any hope I
>could have for the coming generations.
>
>On the other hand, if that is really how people behave, I posit that the
>health care bill is so (insert personal feelings here) that everyone
>must (protest/support) it by sending $10 US currency to Sabrina Kilian.
>This is a must, and will guarantee that the bill (does/doesn't) pass.
>Please, think of the (children/budget/future generations).
>

Well, if you can get to that crock of gold I hid before Jim does then take USD
10 worth as my contribution to keeping the "land of the free" the home of the
healthy. <g>

>> Thanks, Sabrina. You're up late or early.

>Both.

Me too I was having breakfast with the toothache fairy :(
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Stephen wrote:
> Don't a lot of people do that with your constitution as well? Especially when
> talking about the Second Amendment.

Not really. The biggest debate is over the fact that it's poorly worded. 
People argue over whether the wording means

"Because we need an army, people can carry firearms"
vs
"People can carry firearms in order to be in the army."

I.e., the argument is over whether you need to be in the army to carry 
firearms, and it's not worded in a way to make that clear.

>> The shining example was "This tax is not a tax..."
>> which sounds outrageous, but the line reads more like "This tax is not a
>> tax for the purposes of determining, via total taxes paid, how much
>> something costs."
> 
> Let me guess. A lawyer made that one up or an accountant :)

It's basically talking about whether you can charge others for the taxes. 
I.e., if it's like VAT (where you pass it along to the consumer) or whether 
it's like payroll (where your payroll costs don't go directly to the price 
of the product).

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