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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Tell me it isn't so!
Date: 11 Aug 2009 10:26:31
Message: <3sv2855pk07hudfsesp4prmep62hfe5q8d@4ax.com>
On 10 Aug 2009 10:44:47 -0400, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:16:55 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 9 Aug 2009 20:49:44 -0400, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Does your library fine you for late returns?
>>>
>>>Indeed they do, but not very much. :-)
>> 
>> Westminster libraries charge 25p per day per book up to a limit of GBP
>> 10 per book. :(
>
>Yeah, here it's $0.20/day except for videos and DVDs, which are $1.00/
>day, to a max of $6.00 per item per loan period.  The length of time 
>items can be borrowed for vary depending on the type of item - either 28 
>days or 14 days.
>

That's good. I don't know what I'd do without public libraries.
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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Tell me it isn't so!
Date: 11 Aug 2009 10:37:17
Message: <4a81821d@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:26:21 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> That's good. I don't know what I'd do without public libraries.

I used to spend a lot of time at the library when I was younger, but not 
so much now.  I just got my new library card a few months ago, so maybe 
that'll change.

We do have a very good library system here in Utah, one of the best in 
the US (so I hear).

Jim


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From: Daniel Bastos
Subject: Re: Tell me it isn't so!
Date: 11 Aug 2009 11:25:39
Message: <4a818d73$1@news.povray.org>
In article <4a81821d@news.povray.org>,
Jim Henderson wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:26:21 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> That's good. I don't know what I'd do without public libraries.
>
> I used to spend a lot of time at the library when I was younger, but not 
> so much now.  I just got my new library card a few months ago, so maybe 
> that'll change.
>
> We do have a very good library system here in Utah, one of the best in 
> the US (so I hear).

I used to think that no one could beat Ohio. New Jersey certainly
doesn't. Do you know how much Princeton would charge you for a library
card you being a non-student? Some 300 dollars per semester! Call
them to check. 

I figured it would be a lot better to go to the library, have a look
at books I *might* want to read a substantial part of, and just buy
them off of the Internet. How many books does one read in a semester?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Tell me it isn't so!
Date: 11 Aug 2009 12:29:26
Message: <4a819c66@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:25:39 -0400, Daniel Bastos wrote:

> In article <4a81821d@news.povray.org>, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:26:21 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> That's good. I don't know what I'd do without public libraries.
>>
>> I used to spend a lot of time at the library when I was younger, but
>> not so much now.  I just got my new library card a few months ago, so
>> maybe that'll change.
>>
>> We do have a very good library system here in Utah, one of the best in
>> the US (so I hear).
> 
> I used to think that no one could beat Ohio. New Jersey certainly
> doesn't. Do you know how much Princeton would charge you for a library
> card you being a non-student? Some 300 dollars per semester! Call them
> to check.
> 
> I figured it would be a lot better to go to the library, have a look at
> books I *might* want to read a substantial part of, and just buy them
> off of the Internet. How many books does one read in a semester?

I'd believe that.  Libraries are funded by taxpayer dollars, so if you're 
not a taxpayer, you typically would have to pay for a card (or just not 
be allowed to use the resources).

Something along these lines was highlighted recently on The Colbert 
Report - a kid who was helping the library promote reading ended up being 
determined to be not located in the area where taxes went to paying for 
the library, so his card was revoked.  He did later get it back, though, 
after a stink was raised in the press (and Colbert helped with that no 
doubt).

Jim


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Tell me it isn't so!
Date: 11 Aug 2009 15:37:21
Message: <4A81C870.1090509@hotmail.com>
On 11-8-2009 18:29, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:25:39 -0400, Daniel Bastos wrote:
> 
>> In article <4a81821d@news.povray.org>, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:26:21 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's good. I don't know what I'd do without public libraries.
>>> I used to spend a lot of time at the library when I was younger, but
>>> not so much now.  I just got my new library card a few months ago, so
>>> maybe that'll change.
>>>
>>> We do have a very good library system here in Utah, one of the best in
>>> the US (so I hear).
>> I used to think that no one could beat Ohio. New Jersey certainly
>> doesn't. Do you know how much Princeton would charge you for a library
>> card you being a non-student? Some 300 dollars per semester! Call them
>> to check.
>>
>> I figured it would be a lot better to go to the library, have a look at
>> books I *might* want to read a substantial part of, and just buy them
>> off of the Internet. How many books does one read in a semester?
> 
> I'd believe that.  Libraries are funded by taxpayer dollars, so if you're 
> not a taxpayer, you typically would have to pay for a card (or just not 
> be allowed to use the resources).
> 
> Something along these lines was highlighted recently on The Colbert 
> Report - a kid who was helping the library promote reading ended up being 
> determined to be not located in the area where taxes went to paying for 
> the library, so his card was revoked.  He did later get it back, though, 
> after a stink was raised in the press (and Colbert helped with that no 
> doubt).

Call me a stupid foreigner, but if he wasn't within the area of this 
public library he was within that of another one and not using that 
facility. It is all taxpayer money one way or another, so what is the 
point here?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Tell me it isn't so!
Date: 11 Aug 2009 16:23:58
Message: <4a81d35e$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:37:20 +0200, andrel wrote:

> Call me a stupid foreigner, 

I refuse. :-)

> but if he wasn't within the area of this
> public library he was within that of another one and not using that
> facility. It is all taxpayer money one way or another, so what is the
> point here?

If I remember correctly, the issue was that the part of the township he's 
in (where the library is, ironically) doesn't pay taxes that cover the 
library system, but there isn't another "local" library (ie, the library 
in question *is* his local library).

I'll have to dig the clip up - it's on ComedyCentral.com, I just don't 
remember what date it was.

Jim


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From: Daniel Bastos
Subject: Re: Tell me it isn't so!
Date: 11 Aug 2009 18:18:28
Message: <4a81ee34$1@news.povray.org>
In article <4a819c66@news.povray.org>,
Jim Henderson wrote:

> I'd believe that.  Libraries are funded by taxpayer dollars, so if you're 
> not a taxpayer, you typically would have to pay for a card (or just not 
> be allowed to use the resources).

By the way, in Princeton's case, they didn't ask whether I was from
Jersey or anywhere. They simply said that if I was not a tuition
payer, then I needed to pay some 300 dollars per semester for library
access.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Tell me it isn't so!
Date: 11 Aug 2009 20:14:11
Message: <4a820953$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:18:28 -0400, Daniel Bastos wrote:

> In article <4a819c66@news.povray.org>, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> I'd believe that.  Libraries are funded by taxpayer dollars, so if
>> you're not a taxpayer, you typically would have to pay for a card (or
>> just not be allowed to use the resources).
> 
> By the way, in Princeton's case, they didn't ask whether I was from
> Jersey or anywhere. They simply said that if I was not a tuition payer,
> then I needed to pay some 300 dollars per semester for library access.

That makes sense, since a portion of tuition would go to fund the library 
and its collection.

Jim


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From: Daniel Bastos
Subject: Re: Tell me it isn't so!
Date: 11 Aug 2009 20:35:05
Message: <4a820e39$1@news.povray.org>
In article <4a820953$1@news.povray.org>,
Jim Henderson wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:18:28 -0400, Daniel Bastos wrote:
>
>> In article <4a819c66@news.povray.org>, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd believe that.  Libraries are funded by taxpayer dollars, so if
>>> you're not a taxpayer, you typically would have to pay for a card (or
>>> just not be allowed to use the resources).
>> 
>> By the way, in Princeton's case, they didn't ask whether I was from
>> Jersey or anywhere. They simply said that if I was not a tuition payer,
>> then I needed to pay some 300 dollars per semester for library access.
>
> That makes sense, since a portion of tuition would go to fund the library 
> and its collection.

Hm. Are you saying that it makes sense for one to use a library if and
only if one can afford its price? (Or only in the Princeton's case? In
which case, why is Princeton special?)


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From: Neeum Zawan
Subject: Re: Tell me it isn't so!
Date: 11 Aug 2009 21:21:57
Message: <4a821935$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/11/09 19:35, Daniel Bastos wrote:
> Hm. Are you saying that it makes sense for one to use a library if and
> only if one can afford its price? (Or only in the Princeton's case? In
> which case, why is Princeton special?)

	Are you referring to the university library?

	If so, it's understandable - being a private library.

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