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On 07/15/09 11:56, andrel wrote:
>> Actually, his father was of mixed ancestry himself (part native Kenyan
>> and part Arab), so Barack is more white than anything else.
>
> Arabs are white?
What Warp said.
But since you mentioned it, for census purposes, Arabs are counted as
whites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American
So that would make him 75% white?
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On 07/15/09 11:56, andrel wrote:
>> What many find troublesome, however, is that 99% of black Americans
>> who voted did so for Obama, but the press made nothing of it.
>
> I tried to find any statistics, but I couldn't find anything. Do you
> have info that supports up this claim?
99% is a stretch (although I didn't check for this election), but 90%
typically vote Democrat. I had once found a web site that had all kinds
of statistics, including breakdown by race/ethnicity, which confirmed
this all the way back to the 70's.
So in a sense, the huge figure is probably not that much related to
race as it is political affiliation. However, I believe exit polls
generally showed that race was a factor in this past election, and not
just for blacks, but also for whites. (They were explicitly asked if it
was a factor).
I saw this a while ago, and I suspect it may shed some light (I forget
the details):
http://www.ted.com/talks/nate_silver_on_race_and_politics.html
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On 07/15/09 13:22, Neeum Zawan wrote:
> I saw this a while ago, and I suspect it may shed some light (I forget
> the details):
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/nate_silver_on_race_and_politics.html
Looking at it again, it only discusses white racism influencing their
votes, and not black...
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On 15-7-2009 20:22, Neeum Zawan wrote:
> On 07/15/09 11:56, andrel wrote:
>>> What many find troublesome, however, is that 99% of black Americans
>>> who voted did so for Obama, but the press made nothing of it.
>>
>> I tried to find any statistics, but I couldn't find anything. Do you
>> have info that supports up this claim?
>
> 99% is a stretch (although I didn't check for this election), but
> 90% typically vote Democrat. I had once found a web site that had all
> kinds of statistics, including breakdown by race/ethnicity, which
> confirmed this all the way back to the 70's.
I seem to remember much lower figures from the previous elections. Which
were probably more religion influenced than those before.
> So in a sense, the huge figure is probably not that much related to
> race as it is political affiliation.
or social status, which is correlated to race.
> However, I believe exit polls
> generally showed that race was a factor in this past election, and not
> just for blacks, but also for whites. (They were explicitly asked if it
> was a factor).
>
> I saw this a while ago, and I suspect it may shed some light (I
> forget the details):
>
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/nate_silver_on_race_and_politics.html
There are still people in favor of banning interracial marriages?
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On 15-7-2009 19:20, Warp wrote:
> andrel <a_l### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
>> On 15-7-2009 13:38, John VanSickle wrote:
>>> Warp wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or take Barack Obama, for instance. Many people say he is "the first
>>>> black president of the US". No he, isn't. He is exactly as much white as
>>>> he his black.
>>> Actually, his father was of mixed ancestry himself (part native Kenyan
>>> and part Arab), so Barack is more white than anything else.
>
>> Arabs are white?
>
> No, but the percentage of white inheritance is larger than any other
> ethnicity.
Ok, yes that is probably true.
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On 15-7-2009 20:27, Neeum Zawan wrote:
> On 07/15/09 13:22, Neeum Zawan wrote:
>> I saw this a while ago, and I suspect it may shed some light (I forget
>> the details):
>>
>> http://www.ted.com/talks/nate_silver_on_race_and_politics.html
>
> Looking at it again, it only discusses white racism influencing
> their votes, and not black...
>
Yes, I noticed. Apparently the white people are the real problem ;)
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andrel wrote:
> Yes, I noticed. Apparently the white people are the real problem ;)
My favorite news quote of the whole election: "I don't want to sound racist,
but I don't want a black man in the white house."
Guess what, redneck? You're racist! You're *so* racist you can't even keep
from sounding racist if you don't want to!
--
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"We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
back to version 1.0."
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> andrel wrote:
> > Yes, I noticed. Apparently the white people are the real problem ;)
> My favorite news quote of the whole election: "I don't want to sound racist,
> but I don't want a black man in the white house."
> Guess what, redneck? You're racist! You're *so* racist you can't even keep
> from sounding racist if you don't want to!
Without knowing the motives for not wanting a black man as president,
it's impossible to say whether those motives are racist in nature or not.
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On 07/15/09 17:54, Warp wrote:
> Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> andrel wrote:
>>> Yes, I noticed. Apparently the white people are the real problem ;)
>
>> My favorite news quote of the whole election: "I don't want to sound racist,
>> but I don't want a black man in the white house."
>
>> Guess what, redneck? You're racist! You're *so* racist you can't even keep
>> from sounding racist if you don't want to!
>
> Without knowing the motives for not wanting a black man as president,
> it's impossible to say whether those motives are racist in nature or not.
It's unambiguously racist. Whether it is _bad_ or morally wrong is
another story.
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Warp wrote:
> Without knowing the motives for not wanting a black man as president,
> it's impossible to say whether those motives are racist in nature or not.
If your reason for not wanting someone as president is *because* he's black,
that's racist. Now, if he'd said "I don't want the black candidate in
office", he might have just been using a poorly-chosen adjective. But then
he would have stopped and picked another adjective, rather than disclaim the
inherent racism.
It's like when people write "no pun intended" and actually mean "I intended
that pun, and I'm pointing it out in case you missed it."
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