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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:41:30 -0400, Warp wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:22:14 -0600, somebody wrote:
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>> > Interesting idea indeed. Would you also obfuscate the race and even
>> > sex?
>
>> I think it might depend on the case - for example, a murder or assault
>> that has a "hate crime enhancement" would be difficult to prosecute if
>> you didn't know the victim's race or the racial idiosyncrasies of the
>> defendant.
>
> IMO in cases where the concept of "hate crime" is involved, it would
> be specially important to conceal the ethnicities of the involved
> parties. People have demonstrably bias on who can commit hate crimes
> against who.
Maybe, but at the same time, the hate crime enhancement, for example,
against an African-American, would be easily demonstrated if the
defendant was a member of an organisation like the KKK. That would be a
necessary piece of evidence.
> Of course in practice this would be impossible to conceal. For example
> statements made by the accused would need to be presented to the jury,
> which would in most cases immediately reveal the ethnicities involved.
Yep.
Jim
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:43:33 -0400, Warp wrote:
> Yes, I know. I was just commenting on your "he had problems as regards
> kids", which sounded like "he might have been attracted to them in an
> inappropriate way".
I was trying to be nice. I know enough about the cases in question to
know that I wouldn't want to have left a kid alone with him, much less
stay overnight without adult supervision.
Jim
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On 06/28/09 12:36, Jim Henderson wrote:
> He was accused of actual inappropriate behaviour, and from the little I
> read, it seemed there was evidence of such inappropriate behaviour. I
> agree with this:
Inappropriate by a large portion of society. As somebody pointed out
with the Bashir documentary clip, he even admitted to behavior that many
people would find inappropriate.
It isn't, however, illegal. And I suspect it's not even "universally"
inappropriate (in terms of all of humanity).
My bottom line is that we're all free to dislike him for those things
that are quite clear. However, while I might not want my kids around him
without some reliable adult monitoring, I'm not going to judge other
parents who let their kids hang around him.
From all I have seen (and I admit not to looking into it with fervor),
the only thing I can say about MJ was that he behaved differently. It's
normal that it makes people be on guard when being around folks who just
act contrary to social norms, but that's it.
--
Mike: I used to think correlation implied causation. Then I took a
statistics class. Now I no longer think that.
Sue: Sounds like the class helped.
Mike: Well...maybe.
(Credit: xkcd comics)
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On 06/28/09 12:36, John VanSickle wrote:
> I did hear of a man who applied for work at a day care center. He was
> regarded as a pervert trolling for victims.
Let me guess. He was probably single?
--
Mike: I used to think correlation implied causation. Then I took a
statistics class. Now I no longer think that.
Sue: Sounds like the class helped.
Mike: Well...maybe.
(Credit: xkcd comics)
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>>>>>>mue### [at] nawazorg<<<<<<
anl
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John VanSickle wrote:
> And let us all learn from it: Don't be a s**t to your kids (MJ's dad
> reportedly was), and don't surround yourself with sycophants (which MJ
> clearly did).
Funny enough, all his actual close friends all thought he was a great, kind,
funny guy. It's only those who wanted something from him that called him out.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Insanity is a small city on the western
border of the State of Mind.
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somebody wrote:
> shopping mall, and you'll instantly have a swarm of adoring females. You
> won't see any similar flocking behaviour from men
And, uh, which camp does MJ fall into, then? Not that I'm being totally
serious, but given how many people make fun of him for his femininity...
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Insanity is a small city on the western
border of the State of Mind.
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somebody wrote:
> But as far as you and I are concerned, the technicality means
> nothing, he attempted to murder you.
Annnnd, that's why he goes to jail for attempted murder (or attempted
manslaughter, as appropritate).
What you're really saying is "I know better than the jury to whom all
relevant critical evidence was presented whether this happened or not."
> legal proof of crime is sometimes a mere
> technicality and pretty much irrelevant as far as my moral judgement is
> concerned. MJ's case, to me, is one of those times.
Because you think you know what all the evidence was. Right.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Insanity is a small city on the western
border of the State of Mind.
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Great sig, btw. :-)
Do Not Attempt to Traverse a Chasm in Two Leaps...
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Now as to whether MJ was a genius or not, well, personally, I don't think
> so. His music always struck me as rubbish pop. But that's just my
> tastes against his style.
I think it's not unreasonable to look to the dozens of other famous
performers and composers who cited him as inspirational and geniusly talented.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Insanity is a small city on the western
border of the State of Mind.
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:29:46 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Now as to whether MJ was a genius or not, well, personally, I don't
>> think so. His music always struck me as rubbish pop. But that's just
>> my tastes against his style.
>
> I think it's not unreasonable to look to the dozens of other famous
> performers and composers who cited him as inspirational and geniusly
> talented.
Perhaps, but I'm certainly entitled to my own opinion. ;-)
Jim
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