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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Astromonical numbers
Date: 12 Jun 2009 04:07:12
Message: <4a320cb0@news.povray.org>
Tim Attwood wrote:

> Yeah, the US national debt is about $11.3*10^12 ...
> 
> or $113 for every star in the milky way,
> or $1738 for every person alive on earth,

> 
> I guess that makes it astronomically big.

Can debt be said to physically exist?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Astromonical numbers
Date: 12 Jun 2009 04:40:40
Message: <4a321488$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> 4.33 10^19 Number of valid combinations for a Rubik's Cube.
> 
>   I think the correct term is permutations, rather than combinations.

Each side of the cube contains a combination of coloured squares. These 
combinations are created by permutating the arrangements of squares on 
the whole cube. So... whatever.

>   Likewise larger versions of the cube exhibit the same phenomenon: The
> amount of permutations grows exponentially, but solving them doesn't
> become significantly more difficult. Only the amount of rotations needed
> increases with the size of the cube, but the same principles can be applied
> to all cubes from 5x5x5 up.

By complete coincidence:

http://arxivblog.com/?p=332


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Astromonical numbers
Date: 13 Jun 2009 13:31:44
Message: <4a33e280@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> http://arxivblog.com/?p=332

  Firefox warns about that website.

http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=http://arxivblog.com/?p=332

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Astromonical numbers
Date: 13 Jun 2009 14:06:46
Message: <4a33eab6$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> http://arxivblog.com/?p=332
> 
>   Firefox warns about that website.
> 
>
http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=http://arxivblog.com/?p=332

You know, I'd hate to be in charge of writing a program to do that sort of 
detection. That just sounds like an awful, tedious, but nevertheless highly 
valuable application.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Insanity is a small city on the western
   border of the State of Mind.


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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: Astromonical numbers
Date: 13 Jun 2009 16:01:18
Message: <4a34058e$1@news.povray.org>
On 06/13/09 13:06, Darren New wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> http://arxivblog.com/?p=332
>>
>> Firefox warns about that website.
>>
>>
http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=http://arxivblog.com/?p=332
>>
>
> You know, I'd hate to be in charge of writing a program to do that sort
> of detection. That just sounds like an awful, tedious, but nevertheless
> highly valuable application.

	It's a helpful service. It's helpful as long as there are almost no 
false positives - even if it's poor at detecting true positives.

	I had a Wordpress blog on my site once. I stopped doing anything with 
it, and someone pointed out that FF was giving this error (I hadn't gone 
to it for months). Sure enough, there had been a WP exploit and the blog 
had been hacked.

-- 
Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots.


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From: Tim Attwood
Subject: Re: Astromonical numbers
Date: 13 Jun 2009 16:48:54
Message: <4a3410b6$1@news.povray.org>
>> Yeah, the US national debt is about $11.3*10^12 ...
>>
>> or $113 for every star in the milky way,
>> or $1738 for every person alive on earth,

>>
>> I guess that makes it astronomically big.
>
> Can debt be said to physically exist?

Yeah, it's information, which means debt physically exists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_physics
Most of it's probably on some bank computers.

The bigger question is should debt exist.
IMO any system that includes fractional reserve
banking is prone to catastrophic failure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Astromonical numbers
Date: 13 Jun 2009 19:03:16
Message: <4a343034$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:01:18 -0500, Mueen Nawaz wrote:

> I had a Wordpress blog on my site once. I stopped doing anything with
> it, and someone pointed out that FF was giving this error (I hadn't gone
> to it for months). Sure enough, there had been a WP exploit and the blog
> had been hacked.

I hate when that happens.  I maintained a PHP-Nuke website for a few 
years, and it sat hacked by some Turkish group for who knows how long.  A 
friend of mine who happened to be looking up an article I'd written and 
put on the site told me about it.

Jim


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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: Astromonical numbers
Date: 13 Jun 2009 19:28:16
Message: <4a343610$1@news.povray.org>
On 06/13/09 18:03, Jim Henderson wrote:
> I hate when that happens.  I maintained a PHP-Nuke website for a few
> years, and it sat hacked by some Turkish group for who knows how long.  A
> friend of mine who happened to be looking up an article I'd written and
> put on the site told me about it.

	I can think of only two solutions:

1. Write your own web apps. Doesn't really protect against exploits, but 
I suspect you have greater control in the matter.

2. Subscribe to any relevant feeds of all the web software you've 
installed. Hopefully they all have some feed or other, and not just 
mailing lists.

-- 
All I ask is for a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Astromonical numbers
Date: 13 Jun 2009 23:33:58
Message: <4a346fa6$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:28:16 -0500, Mueen Nawaz wrote:

> 1. Write your own web apps. Doesn't really protect against exploits, but
> I suspect you have greater control in the matter.
> 
> 2. Subscribe to any relevant feeds of all the web software you've
> installed. Hopefully they all have some feed or other, and not just
> mailing lists.

Well, #3, back the system up (I did) and check it daily to make sure it 
hasn't been defaced.  Then you can restore the backup and follow-up by 
making sure the relevant exploit is patched.

Or related to #1, use something that's more secure than PHP-Nuke ever has 
been. :-)

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Astromonical numbers
Date: 15 Jun 2009 04:23:36
Message: <4a360508$1@news.povray.org>
>> http://arxivblog.com/?p=332
> 
>   Firefox warns about that website.

Really?

Hmm. Oh well, you're not missing much...


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