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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 21 May 2009 16:43:40
Message: <4a15bcfc$1@news.povray.org>
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On Thu, 21 May 2009 16:20:56 -0400, Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Warp wrote:
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>> > The music industry is really, really greedy.
>
>> From what I hear, the film industry is not much different...
>
> At least the film industry has more reason for their actions. After
> all,
> if you pour 100 million dollars into making one single movie, you have
> some good motives to protect your rights.
>
> How much does it cost to create one CD of music?
Instruments and training are expensive, depending on what the musician
plays.
But the MPAA doesn't invest in the creation of movies - much like the
RIAA doesn't invest in the creation of music. They just represent the
people who do (ostensibly, arguably neither represents all artists,
though they'd like to think so and act like they do).
Jim
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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 21 May 2009 16:44:11
Message: <4a15bd1b$1@news.povray.org>
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andrel wrote:
> The artists suffer directly from that
> attitude, I know. I have been wondering if there is a more direct way to
> support artist without paying a multiple of it to the record companies.
The only reason the record companies are there in the first place is
because the distribution of the IP formerly involved copying into a
physical format (hand-copied texts, piano rolls, vinyl, CDs). They
provided a service that was inherently necessary for the artist's goals
to be realized, and charged a cut of the money for it. Ditto for the
store from which these physical copies were vended.
Distribution of IP now involves considerably less work than before. A
few mouse clicks and key presses, and it's done. The record companies
are less necessary than before, in a free market they must find another
service to provide in order to survive.
A continuing theme throughout the lecture is how vested interests, when
faced with a situation in which their current contribution was no longer
wanted by the free market, sought to make the market less free. Where
they did not petition the legislatures to outlaw the new technology
outright, they lobbied to require that a new service be packaged with
the new technology, with the lobbyist's patron being granted a legal
monopoly on providing that service.
He didn't make the point as directly as I would have liked, but it is
pretty clear throughout that a free market, in spite of all the flaws
that some claim to see in it, is the best means to reduce the costs and
increase the availability and quality of consumer goods and services for
the people in general. Every economic system has, in comparison to
others, winners and losers; but the free market, in the full scope of
thing has the most winners and the fewest losers.
Regards,
John
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 21 May 2009 17:03:12
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > How much does it cost to create one CD of music?
> Instruments and training are expensive, depending on what the musician
> plays.
Worth 100 million dollars? I don't think so.
--
- Warp
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 21 May 2009 17:05:16
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On Thu, 21 May 2009 17:03:12 -0400, Warp wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> > How much does it cost to create one CD of music?
>
>> Instruments and training are expensive, depending on what the musician
>> plays.
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> Worth 100 million dollars? I don't think so.
Think symphony orchestra.
But even if not, suppose the instruments a musician uses cost them a
million dollars. I don't think that offsets the argument that much, it's
still a hell of an investment.
Jim
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From: Fredrik Eriksson
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 21 May 2009 17:06:23
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On Thu, 21 May 2009 21:39:57 +0200, Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> I'm eagerly waiting for Piano Hero -- with "songs" by Chopin, Liszt,
>> Beethoven and company.
>
> Bagpipe hero.
> Symphonic orchestra hero (more suited for the wii, I suppose).
> And, of course, pipe organ hero.
http://basicinstructions.net/?p=461
--
FE
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 21 May 2009 17:07:00
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 21 May 2009 17:03:12 -0400, Warp wrote:
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>> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>>>> How much does it cost to create one CD of music?
>>> Instruments and training are expensive, depending on what the musician
>>> plays.
>> Worth 100 million dollars? I don't think so.
>
> Think symphony orchestra.
That's still half a million dollars per instrument. :-)
Now, the music *hall*, perhaps, yes.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 21 May 2009 17:23:24
Message: <4a15c64c$1@news.povray.org>
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On Thu, 21 May 2009 14:06:57 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 May 2009 17:03:12 -0400, Warp wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>>>>> How much does it cost to create one CD of music?
>>>> Instruments and training are expensive, depending on what the
>>>> musician plays.
>>> Worth 100 million dollars? I don't think so.
>>
>> Think symphony orchestra.
>
> That's still half a million dollars per instrument. :-)
Certainly high-end professional instruments can run that much, of course
we're talking something like Yo-Yo Ma's Stradavarius (or Pearlman's).
> Now, the music *hall*, perhaps, yes.
Well, that and/or the recording studio, equipment, etc.
My point to Warp was that it's not just a question of getting a bunch of
guys together in their garage studio with a tape recorder or a computer
to record their jam session. Professional recording is big business.
Jim
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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 21 May 2009 18:04:09
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>>> How much does it cost to create one CD of music?
>
>> Instruments and training are expensive, depending on what the musician
>> plays.
>
> Worth 100 million dollars? I don't think so.
Instruments, kitting out a studio, staffing it with talented
professionals, paying their wages while they edit the music down, mix
it, work with the artist(s) to make it sound right. The guys who send
the mixdown to the fab where the CDs get pressed. The graphic artists
who design the cover. The PR people who promote the thing once it's on
the shelves.
The actual CD might cost peanuts to press, but getting to the point
where you have a professional-grade recording to make a CD out of isn't
cheap. (Have you *seen* how much money they want for high-quality
microphones?!)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 21 May 2009 18:06:18
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John VanSickle wrote:
> Distribution of IP now involves considerably less work than before. A
> few mouse clicks and key presses, and it's done. The record companies
> are less necessary than before, in a free market they must find another
> service to provide in order to survive.
Web hosting?
You *can* host a website from a laptop in your house, connected to the
Internet via ADSL. I've done it. But it works *really* badly...
> A continuing theme throughout the lecture is how vested interests, when
> faced with a situation in which their current contribution was no longer
> wanted by the free market, sought to make the market less free. Where
> they did not petition the legislatures to outlaw the new technology
> outright, they lobbied to require that a new service be packaged with
> the new technology, with the lobbyist's patron being granted a legal
> monopoly on providing that service.
>
> He didn't make the point as directly as I would have liked, but it is
> pretty clear throughout that a free market, in spite of all the flaws
> that some claim to see in it, is the best means to reduce the costs and
> increase the availability and quality of consumer goods and services for
> the people in general. Every economic system has, in comparison to
> others, winners and losers; but the free market, in the full scope of
> thing has the most winners and the fewest losers.
Yeah, pretty much.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 21 May 2009 18:27:10
Message: <4a15d53e@news.povray.org>
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On Thu, 21 May 2009 23:06:20 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Web hosting?
>
> You *can* host a website from a laptop in your house, connected to the
> Internet via ADSL. I've done it. But it works *really* badly...
I do it today on 3 Mbps ADSL, works OK for my uses. Largely depends on
the traffic you're expecting (and that you ultimately get). Your site
must've been *really* popular. ;-)
Jim
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